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Brannon Howse: Some of the biggest critics of our eschatology and dispensationalism have come from the extreme calvinist and neo-calvinist camp. We want to interpret the scripture with the clear meaning of the text, so at the end of the day they’re attacking our eschatology, our theology, and our view on Israel. So at the end of the day when you realize who are the Christians and the evangelical leaders attacking Andy Woods, or Brannon Howse, or Tommy Ice, or these different guys, if you look at what they believe about the end of times, what they believe is the role of the Pastor, the role of the Christian, the role of the church. What they believe about Israel. You’ll quickly find out oh, now I know why they’re attacking Howse, or Andy Woods.

Andy Woods: Right. I mean, if I were for example a liberation theologian.

Brannon Howse: And explain what that means.

Andy Woods: And that’s basically taking the principles of Karl Marx ––

Brannon Howse: And mixing them with Christianity.

Andy Woods: Mixing them with the Bible.

Brannon Howse: Liberation theology.

Andy Woods: Liberation theology. A classless society. Redistribution of the wealth. What was Obama’s Pastor’s name?

Brannon Howse: Jim Wallace.

Andy Woods: Jim Wallace, and who was the other guy? Pastor Wright?

Brannon Howse: Uh-huh. Yeah. Wright in Chicago.

Andy Woods: Right. And these guys were steeped in this liberation theology.

Brannon Howse: Jeremiah Wright.

Andy Woods: Jeremiah Wright. There we go. And so if I was of that mindset, I mean I would be tearing down dispensationalism all the time. Because these guys think they’re bringing in the kingdom, and we’re coming along with our literal reading of the Bible and saying you’re not bringing in anything. If anything, you know what you’re bringing in? You’re cooperating with the antichrist kingdom.

Brannon Howse: And that’d be Jeremiah Wright on the liberal side.

Andy Woods: Liberal side.

Brannon Howse: What about on the conservative side?

Andy Woods: Same idea. Same idea. Anybody that believes that they – like rightwing, leftwing, are bringing in the kingdom is actually working for the devil.

Brannon Howse: I mean, what do you do with these guys like James White who want to do interfaith dialogue and some of these other guys, and some of these Neo-Calvinists, they never discuss theology. I mean, eschatology. Never discuss end-of-time beliefs. It’s kind of hard to figure out where they come from. They don’t even want to tell you where they come from. So they must have their own eschatology and anti-belief. They just keep it secret. But then they constantly are coming after us dispensationalists and why we’re warning about the dangers of many of the transformations of the church, and the things they’re doing. What’s going on there? Why are they so secretive about their end-of-time beliefs?

Andy Woods: Well I think they’re secretive about it because as it now stands, at least in the United States, their beliefs aren’t as popular as ours. Now I think the popularity of ours is waning, but we still have a pretty sizeable voice. And I run into people and they instinctively believe in a coming kingdom and a rapture. So extreme Calvinists that are info replacement theology who just can’t come out and say you know, well I deny dispensationalism, or they would lose their audience. So they kind of keep it hidden in my opinion, and they get about their business of doing what they think the Christian should be doing, since we’re in the kingdom now, such as social justice, ecumenical dialogue, and they don’t really communicate well that their eschatology is driving their present ecclesiology.

Brannon Howse: Ecclesiology would be the ––

Andy Woods: The document of the church.

Brannon Howse: Mission and purpose of the church.

Andy Woods: Mission and purpose of the church. So they kind of keep that under wraps because if they were too absurdist ––

Brannon Howse: It might upset some folks.

Andy Woods: It would upset a lot of people.

Brannon Howse: And I know some of these guys that they don’t even teach the book of Revelation. They won’t touch it.

Andy Woods: Well you know, John Calvin who his ideas drive a lot of this reformed theology that you’re talking about, John Calvin wrote a commentary on every single New Testament book, except second and third John, little tiny books, and Revelation. And I’m doing some research now on a book that’s coming out pretty quickly on the issue of the Protestant Reformation and I found a fascinating quote from Martin Luther where Martin Luther did not believe that the book of Revelation was inspired by God.

Brannon Howse: Really?

Andy Woods: He did not believe it was canonical book. And so this reform movement traces its lineage back to Lutheran Calvin. So if those two guys ––

Brannon Howse: Ignored Revelation.

Andy Woods: Ignored Revelation, should it surprise us that their spiritual lineage is of the same mindset with the book Revelation. Won’t touch the book of Revelation. Will never expound the book of Revelation.

Brannon Howse: And yet you know what’s so scary about that is that Revelation is the only book I’m aware of that says – that God says there’s a special blessing for those who seek to understand it. But it also says that there’s curses for anyone who adds to it or takes away from it.

Andy Woods: Right.

Brannon Howse: If you’re not going to teach it, you’re taking away from it.

Andy Woods: Yeah. And if you’re going to allegorize it beyond what’s appropriate.

Brannon Howse: You’re adding to it.

Andy Woods: You’re adding to it. You’re subtracting from it. And I think you’re exactly right. We need to be really give great attention to how we’re treating the book of Revelation. Because there’s an extremely severe warning in chapter twenty-two, verses eighteen and nineteen about what you just said.

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