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Brannon Howse: All right. Joining me now is FBI whistleblowers Steve Friend and Kyle Seraphin. Gentlemen welcome back to the broadcast. Thank you for joining us tonight.

Kyle Seraphin: Thanks for having us. How's it going, Brannon?

Brannon Howse: It's going well. Thank you. I sent you guys the article with a link to my show from last night. I'd like to start out and get your response. Our mutual friend Terry Turchie, the former assistant deputy director of the counterterrorism division of the FBI, came on last night and he divulged some information he said was the first time he has ever publicly divulged this. And that is when he was the director of the Unabom task force looking for the Unabomber, who turned out to be Theodore Kaczynski when they were doing that, Merrick Garland as a deputy assistant attorney general in the DOJ, where the other team of attorneys who did not know the case very well at all. Terry said he never talked to him. He never emailed with him, never took a phone call with him Yet then Merrick Garland says he was heavily involved. But apparently what he was heavily involved in doing was defending the domestic terrorist. Theodore Kaczynski. And of course, today he's the attorney general. What? He revealed last night for the first time publicly, he said on our show was that once they had the search warrant, three of the men went to the cabin in the woods. They took him into custody. They had their experts come in with the FBI and they saw that he had a bomb making factory. They then took him to another cabin to hold him while the processing of the cabin was being done. And they could set the next process for court and a hearing. He told us last night. Merrick Garland. And those attorneys in the DOJ called very upset. Several people down. And it finally got to them that they were very upset back in Washington.

Brannon Howse: And they want you to release Theodore Kaczynski. They were afraid that he was somehow having his rights violated. You have no authority to do that. And they come, they explained, we have a search warrant. We see from our experts he has a bomb factory. We can hold him on this, have a hearing tomorrow. Get a grand jury. We can keep going through the legal process. But there you have a real domestic terrorist. Theodore Kaczynski killed three, maimed many and put an explosive device on an airliner. It didn't go off. It malfunctioned. But it did start a fire and the pilots had to do an emergency landing at Dulles Airport from Chicago to Dulles. Here's a real domestic terrorist. And. Terry Turchie, as the director of the Unabom task force, told us last night for the first time publicly. Merrick Garland wanted to defend this domestic terrorist and murderer. Yet today, as attorney general, he wants to take people who are not domestic terrorists, who have no criminal record, who have killed, no one, maimed no one, and he wants to declare them domestic terrorists, i.e. mom's speaking at school board meetings, Catholics who attend the Latin Mass. Pro-lifers, Those concerned about the election. Is this? I mean. I mean, I don't even know how to respond that this is the insanity we find ourselves in all in the backdrop of indicting President Trump and him showing up in court today. With 37 counts while you have a guy sitting in the White House who, according to documents, was involved in a $5 million bribery scheme with another nation. Kyle, you want to go first?

Kyle Seraphin: Sure. I mean, I think it's perfect. It's a perfect setup. It's great bookends. And it shows a sort of partisan behavior that goes back a long ways. Now, are Steve and I going to be mad about a United States attorney or members of the DOJ, you know, aggressively defending the civil liberties of any American? No, of course not. I think that's a really good place for them to go. Correct. The problem is, is when they are one-sided. Yes. If you're to stand up for the rights of Theodore Kaczynski, I'm fine with that. I think that's great. I think Theodore Kaczynski, who just passed, you know, that he deserved all the due process that every American should enjoy, that there should be a presumption of innocence and you should carry on the way that we are supposed to as an impartial, you know, judicial system. That's the system that Americans are expecting. But what we are seeing is the opposite of that happening in real time right now. And so it's a good bookend to look at the parents at school boards. It's a good bookend to look at what's going on with the way that the Bidens were treated versus the way the Trump is treated. So it is an interesting data point on its own, you know, defending the sort of behaviors of due process and trying to put the brakes on FBI agents that were hot to to stop this guy. I think that in a vacuum is no big deal. It's only in light of current events that it makes you realize that there's a pattern of hypocrisy. And that should be a big problem for everybody and it should be a problem for people on the left, by the way they should because it delegitimizes the process they're using right now.

Brannon Howse: Steve.

Steve Friend: Well, first of all, I'm very much disturbed by the fact that Merrick Garland was a deputy assistant attorney general 30 years ago, and he's still in the halls of power. I mean, can we move on to another generation at some point in this country, or are they just going to be there for the next 100 years? But sort of piggybacking on what Kyle was talking about, you look at the narrow scope that a federal prosecutor wants to examine a case through and to give the most benefit of the doubt to the subject of the investigation and really trying to meet a very high threshold, even beyond probable cause or eventually getting to beyond reasonable doubt in their head. They want to almost be prepared to convict somebody at trial before they even start the processes. And contrast that with what we're seeing now where the government, with the with the FBI and the DOJ, is more than content to interpret laws as broadly as possible, to cast as big of a dragnet as they can to get folks caught up and caught up into it. And look, no other better example than the indictment of President Trump, where part of that is that obstruction with an official process. It's a similar charge that we're seeing with so many of the people who have been caught up in the dragnet that is the January 6th investigation. And that itself is a reinterpretation of a law that was passed under Sarbanes-Oxley after the Enron scandal. So now you have a weaponized DOJ that's reinterpreting laws and taking something that was intended to be to prevent crooked accountants from shredding documents and reinterpreted that to mean, well, you were trespassing at the Capitol and reinterpreted that to mean, well, you had documents in your estate that was secured by Secret Service, and that all falls underneath the same umbrella, and we shall prosecute that. I think it just is a great indication of how the DOJ has become. Finally, the man and I will show you the crime.

Brannon Howse: Absolutely. Find me the man. I'll show you the crime. And I agree with both of you and Kyle. I agree. And I've said it on my show. I think today I'm all for protecting the and I agree. They should have protected the civil liberties of Theodore Kaczynski. You and I both agree on that. Steve agrees on that. Most of our audience would agree with that. That's the way the process should work. As you said, innocent till proven guilty, as you said. The problem is this guy, first of all, wasn't backing up the guys in the field who had been working on this forever. And they weren't trusting the research or asking the right questions. They already had their pre-supposition, apparently instead of saying, Oh, wait a minute, our guys have gone in, they've found bomb making material and paraphernalia paraphernalia. Okay, well, we can at least hold him for 24 hours while we work this process out. Okay. Thanks for letting us know. We are going through the proper legal process. No, they didn't seem I was told that by Terry. These guys did not call and ask one question about the facts on the ground. They'd already made their decision. They did not trust the agents on the ground who were doing their work, who were being put at risk. And yet, to my shock, he tells me, Janet Reno knew the case backwards and forwards, that he had had several one on one meetings with her, only the two of them in the room, per her request to get an clear briefing without any distractions of anyone else. And he told us last night she understood this case big time, more than Merrick Garland and any of his buddies at the DOJ.

Brannon Howse: And it was Louis Freeh and Merrick Garland that backed them up. And we got the result. We did. And no one was harmed. Also interesting to note that they didn't use a Swat team. Terry said, We decided to go in there with three guys, low key, get this done and not turn it into Ruby Ridge or Waco. And yet today we see people having their doors bashed down who do not have criminal backgrounds, have never bombed anyone, not killed anyone, not maimed anyone. And they don't get a knock at the door by some nice agent looking to ask some questions and collect some data or say, Can you give us your attorney's phone number? And we'd like in the next few days we're going to be having a conversation with your attorney and you may need to turn yourself in. But this is the process we're going to go through. And I'm here to kind of walk you through it as an agent and let you know how this process will go through. And here's my card. You can communicate with me. Your attorney can communicate, but we're going to do this in a manner that doesn't disrupt your family, embarrass you and your whole neighborhood, and doesn't put anyone else at risk. And we're going to do this in a very orderly fashion. And you walk through that process with them. No. That. That's what that's what they afforded. The Theodore Kaczynski knock on the door, and they went through the process. But no, not for January 6th people. You guys want to comment on that?

Kyle Seraphin: Let me just say that one of the things they're doing on January 6th that most people don't realize is that they are utilizing the criminal complaint, which is not a thing that is common for most investigations, for most FBI agents. Steve is actually one of the rare exceptions because he worked in Indian country, where that is a possibility, where you have to have an exigent circumstance to go and grab somebody that may be presenting either a danger to the public or members of their household and so on. But generally speaking, the FBI takes long-term investigations. That's what they do. And they take those in front of a grand jury and the grand jury is going to return an indictment. And then you can summon that person. If it's the most prudent decision, if it's the safest decision, if it's the most expedient decision to send it off to their lawyers and have them surrender and you can get an arrest warrant at that point, too, as well, if it's appropriate. And we do all those things. But we take the time to put it in front of a grand jury. That's not what they're doing for most of these January 6th cases. What they are doing is going through a process and they are filing a criminal complaint. They're swearing at a magistrate judge, and that automatically gives them an arrest warrant that they can go and bang down the door. They don't have to have a summons. And a lot of this stuff is not being used because it's exigent. They will swear out this criminal complaint and spend a week or two weeks holding on to that arrest warrant so they can use it for maximum effect and publicity. And I'll let Steve talk about it. But this is an uncommon procedure. It is being rewritten like we are seeing FBI policies being rewritten and SOPs being rewritten in real time in the last two years. And Donald Trump is a victim of a lot of these things that are very different than the way that you normally do business as an FBI agent.

Brannon Howse: Wow.

Steve Friend: Steve Yeah, I mean, certainly the the process of the judicial complaint has its uses and it's definitely when there's a risk to the public, there's an exigent circumstance. The person might just take flight, might, might, you know, disappear overnight, as would have been the case probably with Ted Kaczynski. But when it comes to these January 6th people, another element to that is they're getting these judicial complaints. And now we are over two years after the alleged offense and there's somebody who, to keep the case fresh, you have to paper the file. That's that's another statistical manipulation that I'm trying to bring to light here. So many of these cases are stale and there's just no investigative action going on because they are sitting with the task force that's in Washington DC, as opposed to allowing the agents who are technically on paper assigned to work those cases and make the necessary investigative steps to move the case forward as they see fit. But because they're sitting in this queue for months and now years on end, there's no action taken. But in order to make the case look fresh, there are continuous efforts to do some sort of surveillance activity or something bare minimum to say that you did something on the case to justify it being open so they know where these people are. They know what their day to day routines are. And yet at the same time, they're using this means to bring them into custody. That's completely unnecessary. It's if you know who the guy is, you know what his habits are. If you want to even use a greater degree of force than issuing a summons or making a phone call, certainly doing an interdiction surveillance style arrest, that's something that Kyle did for a number of years, grabbed the guy when he was on his way to work.

Steve Friend: You know that every Tuesday he leaves his house at 830 and he stops off at Wawa to pump some gas. That's a pretty good, pretty good schedule to use. And and you can bring him in and just swoop in with 3 or 4 vehicles and say, you got to come with us, brother. But at the same time, that doesn't give the shock and awe that the FBI wants to use on some of these cases. And and just to take it full circle, when it comes to the Unabomber versus what we have today, clearly in that case, there was a risk to the public. He had demonstrated an ability and motive to cause tremendous harm to individuals around the country. And there was the potential for him to take flight. So there was an exigent circumstance and there was a great risk. But even in light of that, Terry and his cohort decided to use a less-than-Swat to bring him into custody and then contrast it with now with with President Trump's charges, there was no risk to the public safety there physically. And there certainly was no exigency. It wasn't like he was going to skip town. So the the atypical means that we're using to bring people into custody now is just another yet another exhibit that the DOJ has become weaponized against one particular side of the political spectrum.

Brannon Howse: They play a little bit here, guys in the control room. Audio of Senator Grassley of Iowa on the Senate floor and have you guys respond to this. Listen to this, folks.

Senator Grassley (in video): Last week I came here to speak to my colleagues about the Biden administration and the FBI playing games with the American people by hiding. The FBI generated 1023 documents from Congress and the American people. Director Wray was going to be held in contempt for refusing to produce 1023 that I told Chairman Komer about. And I think I had that first conversation with Chairman Comer about three weeks ago. Then instead of contempt, the FBI committed to showing the 1023 and related documents to the whole Congress. By the way, I thank Chairman Comer for his cooperation with me and how he's pursued this issue, because we know a heck of a lot more now than if he hadn't been involved in this whole effort. So the FBI showed after the FBI committed to showing this document they showed, but it didn't provide possession of 1023 to the House Oversight Committee last week. And by the way, 1023 is unclassified. So why shouldn't the entire country know about what's in this? 1023 as the public knows that. 23. 1023 involves an alleged bribery scheme between then Vice President Biden. Hunter Biden and a foreign national. The same allegations that Chairman Comer and I made public on May 3rd of this year and the very same day that the FBI provided a redacted version of 1023 to the House Oversight Committee, the Justice Department then announced that former President Trump had been indicted and charged with 37 crimes related to his alleged mishandling of classified records. Attorney General Garland signed off on prosecuting Trump for conduct similar to what Joe Biden and Hillary Clinton engaged in.

Brannon Howse: All right, let's stop there. So you Kyle, you go first. What do you make of this? I mean, we got a $5 Billion bribery scheme and we're told by folks that we're digging into this. And you guys probably know that's just you know, that's just one of many such schemes. This is a crime family. And we're talking about millions and millions, tens and tens and tens of millions, according to Marjorie Taylor Greene and another congresswoman who say they have seen the 2000 pages at the Department of Treasury, the family, some of the extended family members, they said on their Twitter feeds and videos have been involved in sounds like sex rings of some kind and other things. So, I mean, this is a big deal. But all the eyes of the nation and the world now are on Donald Trump. Is this a not only going after your political enemy, but is this a. Covering their rear end so that everyone's focusing on Trump and looking away from the crime family occupying the White House?

Kyle Seraphin: But we can certainly get into some of the irregular things they did to go after Trump. And I do think that that is setting up to draw attention away from what we're talking about with the Biden family. We should be clear that the the 1023 that they're talking about, I'm fairly confident based on the sourcing that I have, that that that the members of Congress that are discussing it have seen this thing unredacted. They have access to it. The FBI may be giving a redacted version, but they know what's underneath the redactions. So that's part one. The second thing is, is that Senator Grassley mentioned that they have 17 audio recordings that they are aware of that exist. They may not have those recordings in hand, but they've been told that they exist, 15 of which implicate Hunter Biden talking to a member of the Burisma board, talking about money going in, and two of which the then vice president Joe Biden was on. And if that's the case, and we've seen what those kinds of things are worth to go after somebody who's in the White House, it sounds like the FBI is up to offering at least $1 million to verify that those things are correct and get access to those recordings if they don't have them already. We saw that with Christopher Steele. That sounds like a $1 million deal. And if you were making $5 million bribes, wouldn't it be nice to get a 20% kickback from the FBI in cash for the money that you had to invest to get whatever it was you thought you were doing? Because that's kind of the numbers that we know can exist. That's what they would be willing to do, but that's not what they're doing.

Kyle Seraphin: Instead, we have an indictment of Donald Trump and he has had his initial appearance today down in Miami. And for all of his troubles, he had an overly broad search warrant. And I sent your producer over actually the link to the search warrant because I think what Steve would have to say about it would be very interesting. I've executed search warrants as well. But they went after and I think they weaponized the process over Donald Trump and don't have to be the biggest fan of Donald Trump to know that what they did is totally irregular. They flew agents from the Washington field office, which is my old home. I worked there for five years and they flew some of the people that I know down to Miami, and they've got plenty of FBI agents down in Miami, I can assure you. So why do they do that? Why do they send them? Why do they break policy and move a bunch of agents, counterintelligence from the skiff that they work on in the sixth floor over in Judicial Square all the way down to Miami to go do this search and grab all this stuff? And why did they write a search warrant that is so broad that I think that it will have a difficult time standing up to scrutiny, including the sort of prohibition against general warrants, which, as I said, I'd be curious as to what Steve says about it, too, but I've been talking to attorneys who have the same concerns or guess not even concerns. They think that this will be raised by Trump's attorneys and possibly have the entire search thrown out.

Brannon Howse: Do you have that graphic that Kyle sent over, by the way, Guys, tell me my ear while I ask this question. Do you believe? No. See if we can get it, please.

Kyle Seraphin: It's page 38 and I sent it over on a link so they can go ahead and grab it through the chat, but.

Brannon Howse: Grab it in the chat. Page 38, please. So do you believe either one of you who wants to take this I know you still have a talking point on the table to respond to Steve, but who wants to take this? Was this raid at Mar a Lago, as was potentially hinted at, or a possibility in my conversation with Colonel Mills about getting back documents that Donald Trump had that proved the Biden crime, family crimes? Was that what they were after?

Steve Friend: I think it's certainly a plausible theory to go along with, especially in light of the very convenient timing of this indictment coming out. Just when, you know, all the heat was supposed to be turned up on President Biden. They just cracked glass in case of emergency. Trump, Trump, Trump. And they have a case of misdirection. But about the the warrant, yeah, it's incredibly broad and allowed the agent there to go through the former first lady's underwear drawer. And they were going through a controlled environment. And certainly, the president's residence is not going to be something that is unsecured. It certainly wouldn't be an area that's guarded by Secret Service would necessitate the hostage rescue team responding to it. Guess you'd have a potential for blue-on-blue violence. Guess if they weren't liaisoning with properly with their fellow federal agents and federal law enforcement, that that could be a risk. But think it was more show than anything else at the end of it all and if you were working on a counterintelligence squad in Washington DC and you're in that skiff and you have the opportunity to jump on the Merrill Lago raid, and you you believe that this is your meal ticket to a career in the FBI, as is the case with so many of these cases we've seen recently, like like with January 6th, you got to get your hooks into that and say you had some sort of responsibility.

Steve Friend: You can put it on your 954, as Kyle can attest to. That's your the document you use to promote. And you can from then on for the rest of your career say that you were involved in some way, shape, or form with a prosecution of a former president and think that they feel like once this case gets to the courts that they feel relatively confident that they're going to win something, which is why, you know, they'll throw 37 counts out there. All they need is one. President Trump has to be successful in refuting 30 all 37 if he's going to exonerate himself. And then he's going to have to move on to the next charge. At this point, he is guilty of being named Donald Trump and they just have to find the venue in order to bring that charge. And get it to stick, which I think they've probably done in New York City at a state level. But if they want to paint him with the the federal felon charge, I imagine they'll have a far more success in Washington, D.C., which is arguably the most liberal Democrat city in America.

Brannon Howse: So before we show page 38 and wrap this up. Kyle, is President Trump going to be found guilty and go to jail?

Kyle Seraphin: I can't imagine that he would be. It's such a historically bizarre time to be looking at, you know, all these things in front of us. First of all, I think there are issues with the search warrant. Second of all, they're going to have to have FBI agents get on the stand and say, why did you do this thing where you left the area of operations that you work and you went down to another area of operations and conducted this search. Is that typical? Is that how you normally do things? Oh, it's not. Why did you choose to do it this way? And then the other piece is, is of the 37 indictments, 31 of them are for specific documents that are in national security. We're talking about 13,000 items that were seized and they found 31 that had markings they were willing to charge over. Now, here's the next thing. The Department of Justice on a regular will walk away from prosecutions when we're talking about classified documents or classified techniques because they do not want to reveal the source or the method, how they came about it. And so you're going to have to justify why you're going to declassify these things and show them to a jury due to an open trial.

Kyle Seraphin: They're going to show people without a security clearance and no need to know, you know, very sensitive intelligence-gathering techniques. They're going to show these people the stuff because what? Because get Donald Trump. That sounds crazy to me. And so that's also a totally atypical and abnormal process. I worked in the national security space for not very long, but 18 months was enough for me to see that they turned down cases regularly in DC because they were not going to expose the FISA that they had on something. They were not going to expose the sensitive techniques they have that are either technical exploits and these things cost not millions, but sometimes tens of millions of dollars to develop, and they're not going to give it away unless they are just going to commit to this weaponization. And, you know, just going after getting Donald Trump because orange man, bad kind of thing. It's just a really scary thing to see how far gone it is from what you would normally expect. They wouldn't go after almost anybody else. This way.

Brannon Howse: Let's show that page 38 that Kyle was referencing. There it is. Who wants to tell us about that and what that is?

Kyle Seraphin: Well, I'll read it to you real quick and then I'll have Steve respond, if you don't mind. First of all, they're saying that they are going to grab all records and all documents that are constituting evidence, contraband or fruits of the crime that are illegally possessed under 18 USC 793. That's the thing they charged. 793. Echo is the actual section. That's the Espionage Act. And then 21, 71, and 1519, which have to do with handling documents. And then this is how broad this search warrant is, because this is supposed to be specific items to be seized, any physical document with classification markings, including any boxes or containers. Okay. Which are located there. But then it also says, as well as any boxes or containers that are collectively stored or found together with the aforementioned documents. So not only the documents or things that are in a document, but also boxes that are near the boxes. So anything that they could grab. And then they also go down. If you look at Part C, any government or presidential records that were created between January 20th, 2017, and January 20th, 2021, that's four years worth of papers. And they, of course, say that they are going to go after anything that is national defense material or classified. So they made it broad enough to cover that and then any evidence that this is going to be the destruction type charges, alteration, destruction, or concealment of these types of records. Steve, you would love to hear you say if that sounds like how you want to write a search warrant and then go defend it. Steve.

Steve Friend: Oh, it's certainly not the way I would write a search warrant. But think and I'll play devil's advocate a little bit, too, to Kyle on this one. As far as the challenge that former president's going to face here. I think that this is if not now, then when for so many people ideologically that they're willing to sacrifice whatever sources and methods are required, whatever the cost may be if it's $1 million. Okay. If it's a $10 million, that's fine. You're talking about people that are willing to shut down the global economy, cost trillions of dollars and hundreds of thousands of jobs, and then forcefully inject an experimental vaccine into millions and billions of people because orange man is bad. I don't think that there's anything that's going to restrain this. This is a promise that too many politicians have hung their hats on. And it's not your typical elect me because I'll get rid of the guns. But meanwhile, I really hope that we don't pass gun control because I can run on it next time. I think that this is a promise that they have to deliver on and just to be a little bit macabre about it, time is ticking here. Donald Trump's not buying green bananas. They have to get him locked up. But, you know, leave it on a little bit lighter note. Kyle and I were talking last week, I think that the election of Donald Trump, were he to be incarcerated might be the solution for America. You would have an individual who is completely sequestered from outside influence, no distractions, and no Twitter. Everything would be fully transparent because it would all be jail phone calls and we might just be able to gather all his focus on fixing the problems that he could be.

Brannon Howse: President from jail. Is that what you're saying?

Steve Friend: I honestly think that that could be that could be the salvation of the country.

Brannon Howse: Wow. And then, of course, I got to wrap, but I got to ask this. If this thing goes to trial, I mean, you remember the O.J. ratings. You guys are so young, you probably don't remember the O.J. ratings, but the O.J. ratings, the.

Kyle Seraphin: Yeah, forget yeah, that was what the trial of the century. And this will be the trial of the millennium. Sure. You're talking about one of the richest men in the country. You're talking about one of the most powerful people in the world. One of the most powerful people, you know, in modern history for what he's been able to do. And you've got a guy who started on the political left and then was elected to the political right and now is being attacked by the political left. I mean, it's just all of it is the makings of a blockbuster movie. And so I imagine everyone's there. I also have to say that if he gets into office, he pardons himself and then he just, you know, he flips the middle finger and goes to work and does what he would expect. So there's always that I don't think that we've got a jail cell presidency coming, although Steve and I have been laughing about the idea of it because he's right. If somebody was unencumbered by all the, you know, the distractions of the world, what a great job they might be able to do. Just focusing on it kind of reminds me of that movie, Dave, you know, the guy who was like, Yeah, I know how to run a business and I don't know anything about politics and I don't know anybody. I'm just pretending I'm going to come here and kick butt and do a good job.

Brannon Howse: Yeah. So tell me, does this go to trial before November 2024? So how quick does this go to trial?

Steve Friend: I've heard arguments and probably have. They'll have to expedite it. They will. There's just going to be they'll want to expedite it before the year is over. I certainly the charge in New York, I believe, is not till next year, then not till March. But I think here that with the charge that they're expecting to have come down at a Washington, DC, they'll want to move this one along quickly so they can highlight that because I think there's a lot more teeth to the January 6th implication that they could then bring that up into the next election cycle. Classified documents, you know, while it ended in the quote-unquote arrest of Donald Trump, it's not sexy enough. It's not going to be successful enough for them. And they want to squeeze all the juice they can out of January.

Brannon Howse: And can you imagine watching a trial with Donald Trump having to sit there and not say anything? I mean, he sits there and he's taking notes and he's, I guess, leaning over, talking to his attorney, or scratching notes. I don't know. I can't imagine seeing Donald Trump sit there for hours on end in court and have to not say anything. And then does he take the stand? That's the final question, Kyle, yes or no?

Kyle Seraphin: If he's smart, I don't think he speaks. There's no real reason for it. You know, it's the same kind of thing. You generally advocate that your client just let them do the work. I would also say that there's a really good chance that they throw every roadblock up. Look, the state's going to ask for the speedy trial and they're going to offer it because that's what's required of them. And I'm fairly confident Donald Trump's attorneys will just drag it out because like I said, if he wins, then this all goes away. And then God knows what the backswing is going to look like. But imagine the retribution might be very exciting. Exactly what former Director Comey is terrified of is probably what will have to happen.

Brannon Howse: Wow. Steve, does he get on the stand?

Steve Friend: No, but he'll be trying this in the court of public opinion as hard as any individual defendant ever.

Brannon Howse: Or will the judge gag him? Will the judge gag him the way they did?

Steve Friend: Roger Stone Well, they might gag him. And then there's also the possibility that they could restrict his movements in some way and ankle monitor him to Mar a Lago.

Brannon Howse: Oh, my. Well, there are worse places to be confined to, I'm sure. All right. That's true. Promote your substack or whatever you want. Your website, your broadcast. Kyle.

Kyle Seraphin: Yeah, people can follow our podcast It's at rumble.com/kyle Seraphin or you can go to Kyle Seraphin.com and you can find the audio there and follow me on Twitter at Kyle Seraphin. We put out a lot of hot takes like this and sometimes new and exciting hits between me and Steve on what's been going on inside the bureau.

Brannon Howse: Excellent, Steve.

Steve Friend: As of today, my book, True Blue My. Oh, that's right. Your book, True Blue.

Brannon Howse: Just came out today.

Steve Friend: Today is the official launch date. So folks who made the pre-sale purchase had it delivered. My family members were sending me pictures today that their Amazon orders had arrived. The audio book is available the the Kindle version is available and hardback is available all at Amazon.com. Yeah.

Kyle Seraphin: Most hated the FBI security division.

Brannon Howse: True Blue. Subtitled My Journey from Beat Cop to Suspended FBI Whistleblower Forward by Miranda Devine. Oh, look at that introduction by Terry Turchie.

Kyle Seraphin: There it is.

Brannon Howse: There you go. Wow. Well, thank you, guys, for all you're doing. All you've done, all you continue to do. And thank you for being with us tonight.

Steve Friend: Thank. My pleasure. God bless you.

Brannon Howse: Thank you. You, too. Kyle Seraphin and Stephen Friend checking in tonight. And again, congratulations on the book release today. There it is. We show it one more time. True Blue. Mike Steven friend. You can get it on Amazon at Amazon.com.

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