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Brannon Howse: Still got to get to Tom Littleton, Gordon Chang, and Bill Federer. Let's go right away to Tom Littleton. Tom has been studying the Southern Baptist Convention, the largest Protestant denomination in America. It has gone from about 16 million to under 4 million. They many of their leaders were the leaders of the religious right. The decline of the Southern Baptist is a bellwether for maybe the decline of Christianity and its influence on the culture, particularly the influence of the religious right, which is now their influence is zero. Many of their leaders of days gone by who I respected, like Adrian Rogers, past president of the Southern Baptist Convention, as well, he passed away. He's right here in Memphis, where I'm at Bellevue Baptist Church. I had the privilege of singing for his wife's 80th birthday party several years ago. Many of these guys I knew and I respected. They were the real founders of the religious right. And many of them came out of the Southern Baptist Convention. But that convention now is collapsing within, just as is the influence of Christianity. Sadly, the religious right on the culture, we really have very little influence anymore for many reasons. This is one reason why you see the Patriot movement rising. The churches largely don't have any influence. Their pastors, many of them are cowards. They're hirelings. They're scared to death to talk about anything like MLK and I just talked about. They don't know about it. And if they did, they wouldn't understand it. Nor would they. Most of them talk about it. The few that do their churches are small to attract a big crowd.

Brannon Howse: You got to, well, be like Joel Osteen and mix New Age movement with Christianity, which it ceases then to be Christianity. You got to bring Oprah to your church and praise her and tell her how you're so excited about what she's doing and make remarks as though God is happy with what she's doing. A woman that mocks the idea of Jesus being salvation. Oh, there couldn't possibly be one way, says Oprah. But Joel Osteen, sitting there spinning his cosmic humanism mixed with Christianity, packs them in. So did Rick Warren. I began warning about him over 20 years ago and his work with the Council on Foreign Relations and the Clinton Foundation got smacked around a lot for doing that 20 years ago. But now people realize, oh, wait a minute, this is not a good guy. Well, the reality is. That's why the Patriot movement's risen, because the churches and the pastors, a lot of them won't stand up. They're too busy counting nickels and noses. So with the collapse of the Southern Baptist Convention, really the collapse of America as a bellwether, let's hope that's not the case. But one has to really wonder. Or is it finally? American Christians have awakened that these multi-million dollar buildings with all their programs and racquetball courts and bowling alleys are just a game of chasing. Well, the idea of big corporation posing as a church. Ceo pastors and half million dollar salaries. Let's talk to Tom Littleton. Tom, welcome to the broadcast. Thanks for joining us.

Tom Littleton: Hey, Brannon, good to be with you and appreciate you covering this. You know, they just had this Southern Baptist Convention that was this week. It started people gathered in New Orleans over the weekend and then they had three days of their normal annual business. And there's a very obvious progressive movement. We've covered a lot of that. I've been, as a reporter for your sister network Worldview Weekend and several Southern Baptist Convention annual meetings. Of course, they no longer let me in, by the way. You got I got kicked out permanently. They won't give me press credentials anymore. But just so.

Brannon Howse: The audience knows you were wearing our press credentials when they booted you out. Right.

Tom Littleton: And did make it in one more time. But they made so many changes that I had a tough time functioning that following year when they brought in the Woke agenda and CRT and intersectionality officially in the SBC. But they redesigned their credentialing for media around the problems they had with you and me. And then by the next year 2021 after Covid, they simply would not issue me credentials. So this is just a sign of how woke they're going. They don't want guys coming in and investigating the LGBT agenda that's coming out of their seminaries. We reported on that for years with Revoice. But what's happening in May, mid-May, just before the convention this year, Lifeway, which is their publishing arm, produces a lot of their research as well and drives their statistics and so forth. They admitted that they had the largest drop in in over 100 years of membership, and that number is 457,371 membership drop between 2021 and 2022. That means from the high water mark of 2006, they had 16.3 million members. But the more telling thing, they're showing 13,223,000 and change. But the real telling thing is the actual Sunday morning average attendance, which is down to 3.8 million.

Brannon Howse: People under 4 million from 16 million down to under 4 million.

Tom Littleton: Right. And that's happened basically since 2006, less than 20 years. So.

Brannon Howse: Well, you're talking about what went on starting in about 2006. Well, go back to the archives of my radio show and you will find we began to warn about, oh, I don't know, Rick Warren and the Purpose Driven Church and counting nickels and noses and building a church that the world would want so that all the unbelievers can show up to the church and feel comfortable. Some of you saying now listening, Well, isn't that the idea of a church? No, it's not. That's called evangelism. The Great Commission sending missionaries church is for a group of believers who come together ekklesia. That's the meaning of the word. Church believers called out ones who get together, study the Bible and exercise their spiritual gifts for the edification of the saints and the equipping of the saints. And then they go ye therefore into the world. Now, if an unbeliever walks into the church, and hears the message, the gospel, great. But we don't cater the sermon and the church service for the sheep to the goats. We go out and we recruit the goats and turn them into sheep and bring them in. Right? So that model in 2006, thanks to Rick Warren.

Brannon Howse: And then there was the birth of the emergent church. Now we're going to sit around and light incense and candles and do Christian yoga and get all contemplative and sing a bunch of weirdo songs and hippie songs and pastors with skinny jeans who look like they're queer. And then we wonder why the guys are like, Dude, I'm out of here. And we warned back then the men will flee this kind of church. They are not your deer hunting, elk hunting, fishing sports guy is not going to sit there and listen to some crazy dude with skinny jeans sitting on a stool pontificating and teaching pop psychology. They're not going to get up and go to that and they have it. And these guys have bolted, rightfully so, and taken their families with them. But when we were saying this in 2006, Tom, I was told by one Southern Baptist leader, you just don't understand the big picture. Well, let me ask you something there, dude. Who's got the big picture now, me or you? Your denominations collapsed. I had the picture. You were too stupid to see what I was warning about. And change course.

Tom Littleton: Right. And sadly, they just haven't wanted to face reality or admit the reality and purge their membership rolls. As you might be a member of five Baptist churches the way you and I've been moved around. But the thing is, the attendance tells the story of their waning influence. And so why is this happening? Guys like Rick Warren. He was also priming the church for faith-based partnerships, and that was getting government money to do health and human services and provide social services to the community. And so as that has rolled out more and more, you have the Southern Baptist Convention, entire entities involved with FEMA and with immigration, with settling refugees. So they've given up the mission of the gospel. They've given up spreading the gospel and making disciples. And they've they've started planting churches basically to gerrymander the elections like we just saw. And that's another story for another time. But Rick Warren brought to the convention this year the issue of the SBC, which is complementarian, related to women and men's roles in the church to a threshold of an egalitarian movement that will put women in the pulpits. The problem is the feminists are driving this and Rick Warren was their patsy to ordain three women and then make this a big issue starting three years ago. The thing is the sex abuse scandal and the accusations that came against the SBC in 2019 already have the SBC in the throes of a woke agenda. And this is being brought about because they have to go through this diversity, equity, and inclusion alignment and compliance if they're going to continue to get government funding. So all this stuff goes back to guys like Warren who have put us in this trap where.

Brannon Howse: Churches need government funding. Tom, Why would churches need government funding?

Tom Littleton: Well, for one thing, you're running off a lot of people, so you're trying to replace the shrinking numbers and their tithes and offerings and you're not evangelizing people. But the problem is they're selling this as ministry visions. But it's fraudulent because you can't do ministry in these faith based partnerships. But the problem is.

Brannon Howse: Federal law prohibits it. So when your pastor tells you we're preaching the gospel and they're getting state and federal money, he's a liar, he's lying.

Tom Littleton: And we've even reported on FEMA grants that are beefing up the church security that is coming through FEMA from the Department of Homeland Security that teach your greeters how to use the power of hello to assess threats. So I'm sure you and I would make the threat list of any church we go to with FEMA money. But the bigger thing I was wanting to see to show viewers is one event. And if you look at the picture I sent you via email, we know that a lot of other dirty money has come into the SBC through their seminaries and directly into specific programs and events. And so one of those took place during the convention.

Brannon Howse: Oh, my. The John Templeton Foundation. Yes. Yes. John Templeton wanted to develop a religion that did not rely upon any sacred text. And the Southern Baptist Convention is hooking their wagon to him, huh?

Tom Littleton: Yeah. So. So this event is called. Yeah, it's called Reforming Gen Z. And for technology, sexuality, and human formation. Okay. If you look on the right side, Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, that's the organization putting this on their Bush Center for Cultural Engagement. That's where the deep state money that we revealed back in 2018 with your book marks the entity and my work at 30 pieces of silver. This Southeastern seminary was the first in 2009 to get Kern Family Foundation Money, which is the woke agenda. So it's their cultural center with the Woke money. And this particular event is part of a 1.5 plus million dollar grant by the John Templeton Foundation, which they are using to promote the idea of reforming the next generation Gen Z on the issue of technology, sexuality, and human formation, they said This is part of a larger project being human theology and praxis. Okay, so you have Southeastern representing the Kern Deep State money for Woke John Templeton, which also funds their agenda with Biologos and merges faith and science to undermine Genesis one through 11. And then the top guy there, Jason Thacker, works for the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission. And that guy is over the digital project, which is funded by Facebook.

Tom Littleton: So you have these guys this is the. The emergence of Facebook funding for supposedly developing ethics on how Christians use the Internet and how Christians use social media. Templeton Foundation and the Kern Family Foundation. And ironically, the woman at the bottom is part of the Revoice movement, which you and I exposed in 2018, which was thrown out of the convention because I was questioning the leaders whose organizations like the Erlc were involved in this massive LGBT movement called Revoice. So this girl, Rachel Gilson, identifies as a same-sex attracted or lesbian Christian, and she's part of CRU, which is Campus Crusade, which is also very woke. And she was speaking at the Women's Conference and Pastor's Wives Conference as well as at this year's event. So we see a deep embedding of all this dirty money that we know you and I have attracted for years. Your listeners and your viewers know about this money and how it's affected the seminaries. And so here it is, three of these dirty funders converging in one event and also fronted by a person who identifies as an LGBT Christian. If you want to know what's happened to the SBC, and why it's in steep decline, look no further than this very event.

Brannon Howse: Absolutely. Tom Littleton. 30 pieces of silver. Org 30 pieces of silver.org. Tom, thanks for being with us tonight. We always appreciate it.

Tom Littleton: Thanks, Brannon. Take care, brother.

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