Understanding The Agenda of The Jesuits: Interview One
Brannon Howse: Welcome. I'm glad you're with us. Yesterday, I told you we would cover the topic of the Jesuit priests, and that's exactly what we're gonna cover today. I've been researching on it since about 9:00 this morning, as well as over the last few weeks, but wow, amazing the stuff I've uncovered in the last several hours. What was that, 9:00, 10:00, 11:00, 12:00, in the last four hours that's all I've done is just study Jesuits, and Chris Pinto is joining me. He's done a lot of study on this for a lot of years, and I have some friends of mine who have also written articles, and books and things that include stuff on it, so we've got a lot of resources to go over today. We may not get through all of this today. We may have to do a part two tomorrow, because it's a very interesting topic, yet, it's also a very important topic as we understand, really, how we're going back to Rome. Everything is going back to Rome, and the Bible speaks of that, if you believe in that eschatology of a revived Roman Empire. Now, if you don't believe in that, then it's kind of a mute point.
But, needless to say, even if you don't believe in that, I would think you could see that there seems to be a converging, or as they like to say, a convergence going on _______ world religions, and the Bible, indeed, speaks of a one-world religion. That's clear in the Scriptures, and we've given the verses and the references for that before. We have talked extensively before for several years now about really how we are seeing Catholicism and the Protestant faith merging, and one of the common threads is pantheism, all is God. Panentheism: God is in all. Hindu mysticism is really what that is, and that is really a common philosophy we see rising within the Protestant faith. It's in the Catholic faith, and that will be a common philosophy that will bridge those two religions together. It also will include Dominion theology. It will also include social justice.
Now these are just a few of the things that I believe can allow the religions of the world to come together but, predominantly, the two major ones, the Protestant faith and Catholicism, and so the Jesuits really were all about doing, indeed, that, infiltrating various Protestant organizations and bringing people back to Rome. Even if the Jesuits had to take on the titles of Swami or any other religious faith in order to infiltrate, they would. They would move into an area, to a country. Ron Carlson has spoken with me about this extensively for some time, about how the Catholics will move into an area, and whatever the predominant religion is, that's what they'll become in order to really infiltrate, to co-opt, and that is really ______ Jesuit Order. And again, what I'm saying here, folks, is clearly this: the Protestants and the Catholics are really moving hand and glove together in so many ways, so this isn't just simply looking at one group. We've been looking at both Protestants and Catholics, and now, today, we're doing both.
Joining me, as I said, is Chris Pinto. He is a producer of documentaries. He's produced many documentaries, and one of my favorites is his A Lamp in the Darkness, which is about a three-hour documentary on how we got the Bible, and of course it does go into about over 50 million people that were slaughtered by the Church of Rome for translating the Bible, for proclaiming the gospel, and it's a part of our history that's often not talked about at all. It's a wonderful documentary. You'll find more about him at his website, Adullamfilms.com. Chris, welcome to the program. Thank you for joining us.
Chris Pinto: Oh, thanks, Brannon. It's good to be back on with you.
Brannon Howse: Do you want to add any comments to my introduction as we set up today's program?
Chris Pinto: Well, I think what I would add to it is just to remind an audience when they hear about the Jesuit Order, read about them, et cetera, and so on, even Malachi Martin, who was a very well known Jesuit priest who came out of the order and then wrote books about them, admits that they've had the same mandate for over 400 years. And that mandate was to launch what was called the counter-reformation, and what happened was in the Middle Ages, when Martin Luther and William Tyndale and the Protestants were translating the Bible and preaching the word of God to the people, many people were coming out of Catholicism, and you had a number of governments that were casting off the yoke of being in submission to the Pope, and they were declaring themselves to be independent countries in one Protestant form or another.
And so Ignatius Loyola, who had been a Spanish soldier and he was wounded in battle, he was really converted to a deep zeal for Catholic sainthood by reading different stories about Catholic saints, and he became very zealous for defending the Catholic faith against the protestant reformation, and so he founded the Jesuit Order as a military order. That's how they were founded, and it was commissioned by the Pope specifically to launch the counter-reformation, which was to overturn the doctrines, and really the impact theologically and politically of the reformers, and to really bring the world – Europe, in particular, but eventually the whole world – back under the authority of the Pope from the Middle Ages.
Brannon Howse: And, of course, the Jesuits take an oath, and a lot of people are not familiar with this oath at all, although I have from several sources that it has been actually included in the U.S. Library of Congress, and that a friend of mine actually got help several years ago from a U.S. Congressman's office in order to obtain a copy of what is called The Ceremony of Induction and Extreme Oaths of the Jesuits from the U.S. Library of Congress. I want to read it to you, our listening friends, so you can understand of this oath – I'm not gonna read all of it but I will read several paragraphs – so you get an understanding of what is the goal of those who swear an oath to join this really what is a – how would you describe it again, Chris, really almost a private order or a private military of the Pope?
Chris Pinto: Oh yeah, it's definitely a – it's an order. It's kind of a secret order within Roman Catholicism, and the oath that you're about to read, they're like a series of progressive oaths that they take, and I think what you're gonna read is what is called "The Oath for the Jesuit of the Fourth Vow," and it's once they reach a higher level or a deeper level in the Jesuit Order.
Brannon Howse: Oh, that's right. Okay, here we go. Here's what they would say. "I," and then they would fill in their name or say their name, "Now in the presence of almighty God," and, by the way, I'm sure I'm gonna mess up one or two of these words here, "I," and then you fill in your name, "Now in the presence of almighty God, the blessed Virgin Mary, the blessed Michael the Archangel, the blessed Saint John the Baptist, the Holy Apostles, Saint Peter and Saint Paul, and all the saints and sacred hosts of heaven, and to you, my ghostly father, the superior general of the society of Jesus, declare and swear that his holiness, the Pope, is Christ Vicegerent and is the true and holy head of the Catholic or universal church throughout the earth, and that by virtue of the keys of binding and loosening given to his holiness by my savior, Jesus Christ, he has power to dispose heretical kings, princes, states, commonwealths and governments, all being illegal without his sacred confirmation, and that they may safely be destroyed.
Therefore, to the utmost of my power, I shall and will defend this doctrine and his holiness right and custom against all usurpers of the heretical or Protestant authority…and all adherents in regard that they be usurped and heretical, opposing the sacred mother church of Rome. I do further promise and declare that I will have no opinion or will of my own, or any mental reservation whatever, even as a corpse or a cadaver, but will unhesitatingly obey each and every command that I may receive from my superiors in the militia of the Pope and of Jesus Christ. I furthermore promise and declare that I will, when the opportunity presents, make and wage relentless war, secretly or openly, against all heretics, Protestants and liberals as I am directed to do to extirpate and exterminate them from the face of the whole earth. I will secretly use the poisoned cup, the strangulating cord, the steel of the poniard, or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honor, rank, dignity or authority of the person or persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed to do so by any agent of the Pope or superior of the brotherhood of the holy faith of the society of Jesus, in confirmation of which I hereby dedicate my life, my soul, and all my coporeal powers.
And, with this dagger which I now receive, I will subscribe my name written in my own blood in testimony thereof, and should I prove false or weakened in my determination, may my brethren and fellow soldiers in the militia of the Pope cut off my hands and my feet, and my throat from ear to ear, my belly opened and sulfur burned therein, with all the punishment that can be inflicted upon me on earth, and my soul be tortured by demons in an eternal hell forever, all of which I," and they put in their name, "Do swear by the blessed trinity and blessed sacrament, which I am now to receive to perform, and on my part to keep _______ and do call on the heavenly and glorious host of heaven to witness my real intentions to keep this my oath." Wow! I mean, what more can you say than, "Wow"? The bottom line there is, Chris, the Jesuits see the Protestants as heretical and to be done away with, to be subverted either privately or publicly, to be dealt with privately or publicly.
Chris Pinto: Right, secretly or openly that they wage their wars. Sometimes, they do it openly, as in the Saint Bartholomew's Massacre, or the Revocation of the Edict of Nantes, but usually what happens, if you study their history, is they spend a lot of time in secret activities and so on, and politics and manipulations, like with the Revocation of the Edict of Nantes, which was kind of like the U.S. Constitution. It protected the rights of Protestants in France, and they spent years chipping away at it, trying to overturn it so that they could then persecute Protestants in that part of the world, which they did, but it took years for them to overturn it. So, that would be an example. Now, what's interesting, if you keep reading that oath, when it gets to the end of it and the guy, the Jesuit initiate says everything, then the Jesuit Superior says to him, "Go, my son, into all the world and take possession of all lands in the name of the Pope. He who will not receive him as Christ vice regent on earth, let him be accursed and exterminated." Okay?
That's how the oath finishes, and it's believed that this is the very reason why Jesuit missionaries went into Japan, went into China, went into South America, went into North America, Canada, all over the world, because they go into all nations to ultimately subvert them and bring them under the power of Rome. This is what they were known for, and this is why, as an order, they were kicked out of different countries in Europe over 40 times during the Middle Ages. They were kicked out of Japan by the Shoguns, once the Shoguns figured out what they were trying to do. But they're very subtle, very crafty, and they were the original authors of revolution, you know, stirring up the people, creating division in a country, and getting them to overturn the government so they could bring it under Jesuit control.
Brannon Howse: So, if we were to start breaking the Jesuit worldview or philosophies or techniques into categories, I think the first one we would want to start with would be ecumenicalism. They're big on ecumenicalism because then what they can use is that ecumenicalism to infiltrate all denominations, all religions and then bring them back to Rome, and that's, of course, we see with the Roman Church, having their big event in I think it was Chicago in 1893, and then again in 1993, promoting ecumenicalism. We have the Vatican II, we have Mother Teresa talking about really it doesn't matter which one you are, whether you are a Hindu or a Buddhist or a Muslim. We've got quotes by the Pope, the last Pope, talking about the importance of the Hindu faith and that the world should pay attention to the Hindu faith. So, there's a lot of ecumenicalism, and I think the Jesuits are big into this ecumenicalism, and they will infiltrate, and would you agree, Chris, that what they do is they will take on whatever form they have to, whatever is the predominant religion of a country, and infiltrate and become part of that religion in order to infiltrate from within?
Chris Pinto: Absolutely. That's what they were known for throughout the ancient world.
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Brannon Howse: Welcome back to the program. I'm glad you're with us. Brannon Howse here. The program is Worldview Weekend Radio. Our website is worldviewweekend.com. Pick up where you left off.
Chris Pinto: The Jesuits had been suppressed in 1773 by the Pope – he had disbanded them – and then they were brought back in the early 19th century, and when they were reformed, we have a quote from John Adams, who wrote to Thomas Jefferson about it, and he said, "I do not like the reappearance of the Jesuits," and he says, "I know of no body of men more deserving of eternal damnation on earth or in hell than the Society of Loyola's," meaning the Jesuit Order. He said, "Shall we not have regular swarms of them over here in America, coming as poets and lawyers and artists and so on, in as many disguises as only a king of the gypsies could assume," and then he goes on to say, "But, of course, I suppose that our laws of religious freedom will give them free rein in this country, like anyone else," and so Adams knew about their history. He also knew that – he says in one of his quotes that all the monarchs of Europe had feared Jesuitical assassination, because this is what they were known for. They were known for being relentless.
When somebody opposed them, like Queen Elizabeth I, the Jesuits attempted over 25 times to assassinate Queen Elizabeth. They tried to kill King James I, of the King James Bible, by the Gunpowder Plot of 1605. They tried to blow up the British Parliament, with James and everybody else in it, and of course that was unsuccessful. But there were many monarchs that they were able to kill, to assassinate, and sometimes to poison. They poisoned the Pope, Pope Clement, who abolished them in 1773, and he knew. Their methods of assassination were so famously known, because if they didn’t get somebody the first time, they would keep coming at them, they would keep trying until they finally got them.
Brannon Howse: Well, they even say that in their oath. They talk in their oath about using, what, the poison cup –
Chris Pinto: Right.
Brannon Howse: – whether by poniard, I don't know what that –
Chris Pinto: The steel of the poniard, the strangulation cord –
Brannon Howse: The leaden bullet.
Chris Pinto: – the leaden bullet, and so we show all of this in our film, A Lamp in the Dark. We have the Jesuit oath in there, and yeah, this is what they were famous for. When they were reformed in the 19th century, there's a quote from one of them where they say, "The Jesuits were reformed, and the kings of the earth trembled," because they were fearful of these guys because they knew how relentless they were, and that if you got on their bad side, they would just keep coming at you until they got you, and that's why when the Pope suppressed them, he said, "I'm gonna do this because I have to, but I know that I'm signing my death warrant," and then he was poisoned a year later and ended up dying a slow, agonizing death. This used to be well known. You've even got Napoleon Bonaparte, when Napoleon was overthrown and he was on the Isle of Elba, there's a quote where he talks about the Jesuits and he says, "The aim of this order is power, power in its most despotic exercise." He says, "Wherever they are, the Jesuits will be masters, cost what it may."
And so these guys – you find Charles Spurgeon, then – many people know Spurgeon – in the late 1800s, in this publication, The Sword and the Trowel, he often writes about Jesuit activities and them infiltrating different Protestant movements and manipulating them. For example, the Oxford Movement, which began as kind of a Protestant/Anglican movement, but then they were slowly infusing these Roman Catholic doctrines through the movement, and so then they began to call it Popery in disguise, and Spurgeon wrote a lot. I mean he wrote whole volumes in The Sword and the Trowel warning against this and warning that it was a subversive practice to overthrow Protestantism, that their counter-reformation was still at work.
Brannon Howse: You know, it's interesting. You said they would infiltrate the Protestants, and that was one of their goals to do that, and I began to do some research this morning and I was talking to a friend. I won't use the friend's name because he didn't give me permission, he may not care, but I didn't ask and he didn't say I could use his name so I won't, but I was talking to a friend of mine who said, "Hey, go over and use a search engine, and type in Sacred Spaces and Kansas City and Mike King," and one of the things I found was an article by Gary Gilley, and I know Gary. We've held our Worldview Weekend rally at his church, I think it's South View Chapel in Springfield, Illinois, and he's got a website where he writes on a lot of the issues of the day, like we talk about, but he writes about them. He's a senior pastor.
He has an article on his website, Presence – Centered Youth Ministry by Mike King. He says, "Mike King is president of Youth Front, an organization creating an environment for youths to experience spiritual transformation. He's also on staff at Jacob's Well Church in Kansas City. King is definitely somewhere in the emergent/emerging camp but he says little about doctrine beliefs in this book, so it's difficult to know exactly where he fits." Well, my friend told me this morning that this gentleman used to be associated with what had traditionally been Kansas City Youth for Christ, if I remember correctly, and then this guy comes in and transforms the organization. That's what my friend was telling me this morning, and he watched it happen himself because he had connections with Kansas City Youth for Christ that had been transformed over the years, after the passing of someone else who had headed it up and kept it really gospel-centered and Biblically-centered.
Well, now, according to Gary Gilley, to this end, King, meaning this Mike King, goes on to prescribe virtually every practice ever invented by Catholicism – sacred spaces, where God's presence is real, labyrinth, stations of the Cross, candles, incense, icons, the Jesus prayer, prayer robes, making the sign of the cross, Lectio Divina – that's another type of contemplative prayer – and confessions to a priest. He speaks highly of monks, monasteries, and again, this is according to my friend who was involved with Kansas City Youth for Christ saying, "Hey, look, after the guy who was running it passed away, it takes this transformation and has become a totally different organization," and that's a perfect example of the kind of thing we're talking about, and we see this now coming into the Protestant Church – walking a labyrinth, Lectio Divina.
We see reformed pastor Tim Keller. We've talked extensively about him from having on his website Jan Johnson writing, promoting Lectio Divina, contemplative prayer. Richard Foster talking about leaving your body and seeing your body lying in the grass, looking back. I mean these ideas – incense, lighting of candles – these pagan ideas common within Catholicism have also now infiltrated the Protestant Church in huge numbers, and this is the very kind of thing we're talking about with the Jesuits, is it not?
Chris Pinto: Oh, it's exactly. It's exactly. See, I think the whole ecumenical idea developed from them when they were sending out their missionaries to different parts of the world, and they were, like you talked about earlier, they would seek out the chief religious cast in a society and then they would join, you know, "Which of the Buddhists in China are most powerful?" and they would go join them. And they noted that when they would amalgamate the traditions of a pagan religion with their Catholic ideas, and so on, that they're sort of meeting their converts halfway. They're kind of half Catholic, half pagan, and they noticed they had a lot of success with this because their converts would still feel comfortable because they still had their pagan traditions that they could hold onto, but then they just implemented certain Catholic doctrines with it.
The Jesuits even got in trouble with certain popes because of this, but they recognized that it was a successful way of joining people together, and so we find them in 1825 in Cheri, Italy – they had a meeting there – and it's documented that they talked about building their gigantic temple, into which they would force all men to enter, they said, and they said because the true church, as Saint Paul says, makes itself all things to all men, that it might gain the whole world. That's what they say. Now, of course, that's a corruption of Paul saying, "So that I could reach the Jews, I became as a Jewish man," and so on, and he's saying, "I become all things to all men so that I might gain some," you know, he might lead them to salvation, and the Jesuits take that and they say, "Well, we're gonna become all things so that we can gain the whole world. We're gonna bring everybody into this giant temple that we're building." Again, this is documented and published back in 1825, and again in 1844, that this was their plan, and then, by the end of that century, that's when you find the First Parliament of World's Religions, and you find Philip Schaff there in Chicago –
Brannon Howse: 1893.
Chris Pinto: – 1893, and Schaff, if you study his life, he's called the ecumenical prophet, and he was a Protestant, but he had gone to the Vatican to meet privately with the Pope and, while he was there, he admitted that he bowed and kissed the Pope's feet in obedience. Okay?
Brannon Howse: This eventually led us to the October 11, 1962 Vatican II, which reading from the book The New World Religion, Vatican II, which opened October 3, 1962 at Saint Peter's Basilica in Rome, added fuel to the growing ecumenical movement and helped pave the way for the acceptance of inner faithism. Pope John XIII resided over the council's proceedings, according to M. Basil Pennington, a prominent Catholic priest, the council urged, "All Christians to act positively to preserve and even promote all that is good in other religions – Hinduism, _______, and other world religions. So, the Vatican II, then, really sped this up in 1962, correct?
Chris Pinto: Absolutely. In fact, if you study like Life magazine, and publications like that, that talk about the great events of the 20th century, that's considered one of them because Rome officially changed her position on all the different world religions.
Brannon Howse: All right, let's talk then about – excuse me for cutting you off. I'm trying to move fast and cover a lot of material. Let's move, then, and talk about a guy name Teilhard de Chardin.
Chris Pinto: Teilhard de Chardin.
Brannon Howse: Yeah, Teilhard de Chardin. Tell me about Teilhard de Chardin, because he had a huge influence on Robert Muller, who ended up being at the UN for 40 years, added more divisions to the UN than just about anybody, and became Assistant Secretary General of the United Nations. Tell me how Teilhard de Chardin was a New Age Catholic that helped really grow New Age teachings, right?
Chris Pinto: Absolutely. In fact, he's called – if you get the book The Seduction of Christianity by Dave Hunt and Tom McMahon, they document how Teilhard de Chardin is called the father of the New Age, and that's because when Marilyn Ferguson came out with her book The Aquarian Conspiracy in the 1980s, she sent letters to all of the New Age leaders asking them who the most influential person in their lives was, and they all said Teilhard de Chardin, and he was a Jesuit priest who, in the early part of the 20th century, worked with Charles Dawson on the discovery of the Piltdown Man Hoax.
Brannon Howse: So, he was big into evolution.
Chris Pinto: Right, and that was declared to be the missing link for some 40 years, and that ushered in the teaching of evolution. That was kind of the so-called scientific evidence, but it was a hoax, and then, after that was put forth and The New York Times declared it, Teilhard began writing about evolution and combining it with Christian Catholic spirituality.
Brannon Howse: Okay, now the reason it's important to understand that Teilhard de Chardin was involved in promoting evolution is because we're gonna move from biological evolution with him to spiritual evolution. Very important. We'll be right back.
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My guest, as I said, is Chris Pinto. Chris, we were talking about Teilhard de Chardin, a Catholic priest who was really big in influencing Shirley MacLaine and many of the New Agers. He really was a Catholic and a New Ager, big time. He was a Jesuit priest. That's very important, okay? So, folks, he was a Jesuit priest – that's kind of our theme here we're running with – and he promoted Darwinian Evolution, a biological evolution, Darwinian Evolution, and I believe the reason he did that, as I've told you before, Darwinian Evolution really laid the foundation for the acceptance of the next form of evolution they want to teach, spiritual evolution, and that's exactly what Teilhard de Chardin did.
He moved from biological evolution, Darwinian Evolution, to spiritual evolution, and he began to write an awful lot about the Christ consciousness and that we are evolving, and that a new faith is evolving, and, in fact, if you pick up the book The New World Religion by Gary Kah, The spiritual roots of global government, he has a lot he writes about Teilhard de Chardin, and he says, "In short, Father Teilhard de Chardin influenced many of the most prominent United Nations leaders of his day, including some of the United Nations founding fathers," and Robert Muller, as we said, rose to the ranks of being Assistant Secretary General of the United Nations, talked about the fact that we can credit the coming world government to, "Influence of the writings of Teilhard de Chardin." Robert Muller was hugely influenced by this Catholic New Ager who promoted this idea of spiritual evolution, and this is in the Protestant Church now. This is in the Protestant Church.
We played sound clips of Michael Dowd, the evolutionary evangelist, a graduate, according to his bio, of Assembly God School. That doesn't mean Assembly of God churches agree with him, because many of them wouldn't, but I'm saying this is not some guy that's coming out of the New Age. He's coming out of the Protestant faith, and he's teaching evolution, and we've played clips of him speaking of spiritual evolution and how we're all a part of God, or Goddess, as he said, if that's what you want to call it. We've played those clips. That's spiritual evolution. Chris, Teilhard de Chardin helped lay the foundation for this spiritual evolution that's rising today, which they believe is what we need to do: spiritual evolve, the New Age, Age of Aquarius, Age of New Beginnings, where we understand our Christ consciousness. Correct?
Chris Pinto: Absolutely. In fact, Teilhard wrote about the cosmic Christ. Teilhard said things, like he said, "Now that evolution has been proved," he said, because of Piltdown Man, "Now that evolution has been proved, evolution is a curve to which all lines must follow, is a hypothesis to which all other hypotheses must bow." In other words, everything has to conform to the ideas of evolution, and especially if you study that in our academic communities here in America, but also study it through the European Union, it gets very dark and ugly with the EU. The European Union becomes very militant about the doctrine of evolution, and that everything should conform to the ideas of evolution, and that's really what's happened here in America.
That's why they're teaching in the mainstream that all religions should be equally respected and that God is just known by many different names, because that's what Teilhard set forth, that our idea, our understanding of God needed to evolve, and now God is not just Jesus and the Bible; God is all the different gods and goddesses, and they're really all the same thing. That's the direction he took everybody into. But he himself was a respected paleontologist and a scientist, and he would become the model, I think, for most all of your scientists, most of them anyway, through the 20th century. They all believed as Teilhard did. They would be diligent about their scientific work, but they also developed Darwinian theology as a result. So, like you said, it was both the biological and then the spiritual evolution, and I think that's really what the Jesuits wanted.
Brannon Howse: In fact, Teilhard de Chardin said, "The fate of mankind, as well as of religion, depends upon the emergence of a new faith in the future." Notice the word emergence, and of course the Emergent Church, which is in the Protestant faith now, is big on following Jurgen Moltmann and some of these other guys that are really following German philosopher, Georg Hegel, who really talks about the whole idea of we're spiraling up, we're of this emergence; no one is gonna go to hell, good and evil will merge to produce a better third option. So, this spirituality we're talking about, this spiritual evolution is in both the Catholic movement now and in the Protestant movement, and we see them now coming together. I really believe there are three ways, and if you can help me with more than three, Chris, that would be great. But, I basically see three goals of the Jesuit Order. It is to infiltrate for the purpose of ecumenicalism, bringing us all back to Rome, but I would break their goals into three areas: ecumenicalism, social justice/liberation theology, and dominion theology. The influence of liberation theology, liberation theology really comes out of the Jesuits. Would you agree? Have you found that in your research?
Chris Pinto: I believe so. I mean anything that takes on the tenor of revolution and for the cause of the people, that's usually their modus operandi, because they work through the people, and this goes back to ancient times. I mean I'm reminded of a – there's an old-world drawing of the Pope sitting on the seven-headed beast of revelation from the Middle Ages, and he's pointing his finger and he's looking out at a bunch of townspeople, and he says, "Go kill thy prince." And it was based on what was understood in the Middle Ages, what would happen is when the popes got angry at kings and princes, they would stir up the people and command the people to go overthrow that monarch. Well, the Jesuits, through a Jesuit named Cardinal Bellermaine, took that and developed it into a series of philosophies about the rights of the people to overthrow an unjust monarch, and those principles were then used by the Jesuits when they would go in different countries, and they would stir up the population and incite revolution to overturn different rulers, and so on, so that they could bring themselves into power. That was their modus operandi. That's what they were known for.
Brannon Howse: Well, I'm reading from Discoveringthenetworks.org. Discoveringthenetworks.org is a website run by David Horowitz. David Horowitz is a former Marxist who now exposes Marxism. I think his big movement is really exposing Marxism and Islam, and what it's doing to America, and on discoveringthenetworks.org, under Liberation Theology, they say, "A movement that sprang from the late 20th century Roman Catholicism and has found a particular welcoming environment in Latin America. Liberation Theology holds that the church must stand on the side of the impoverished and the downtrodden, and that it must, if necessary, support the overthrow of social systems that contribute to their oppression." So, we find Liberation Theology. We would define Liberation Theology as really the mixing of "Christianity with Marxism" is one way to describe it.
I found today in my research Catholicnewsagency.com. Here's the headline of an article back in 2008, November 20, 2008. Here's the headline, Chris: "Jesuit Superior General says, 'Give more time to Liberation Theology.'" That's the headline, "Jesuit Superior General says, 'Give more time to Liberation Theology.'" The article says, "The Superior General of the Jesuits, Father Adolfo Nicholas said this week he was disappointed that Liberation Theology has not received a 'vote of confidence'" and he said, "The controversial approach should be given more time to mature."
Chris Pinto: Wow. Well, what they do, if you look at China, China was founded on Communist principles, and they call it the People's Republic of China, and what they do is when Liberation Theology starts, they give the people the impression that they're there to help the poor, the downtrodden, those who are not being properly represented, and this kind of thing. It's just how Communism has worked in every country, and that's how they get the people stirred up, thinking, "We're sympathetic towards you. We're gonna help you," but if you go into China and you ask them, "Is it really the People's Republic of China?" or are millions of people being governed by a handful of dictators, who are often brutalizing and murdering them, that's unfortunately the end result of the Jesuit Liberation Theology. That's where it ends up.
Brannon Howse: And there has been a battle within the Vatican, depending on, I guess, who the pope is, to battle Communism. Pope John Paul II seemed to work with Ronald Reagan, but, again, I don’t know if their goal was battling Communism in order to bring Communism down in order to allow for the spread of the Church of Rome in those Communist countries. You always wonder what is someone's ultimate motive for what they're doing.
Chris Pinto: I think they use Communism as kind of Hegelian dialectic, as kind of an opposing force. If you get the book Ecclesiastical Megalomania by John W. Robbins, in that book Robbins talks about how certain declarations from the popes parallel what's written in the Communist manifesto, and different historians, who have studied Rome for centuries, talk about how Rome will use whatever she needs to use.
Brannon Howse: Well, we see that right now with this pope. This pope put out his 30,000-word _______ in July of 2009, and he's calling for a stronger United Nations with real teeth. That's the word he used. He's calling for redistribution of wealth from rich nations to poor nations. He's calling for redistribution of natural resources. I mean this pope is really onboard, basically, with sustainable development out of the United Nations, which is promoted by Maurice Strong, who is a Communitarian, New Ager, Buddhist-practicing guy, along with Mikhail Gorbachev, another Communitarian, New Ager, with his Green Cross movement. So, this pope has already given his blessing, really, to socialism big time, and I've got actually quotes in my new book coming from practicing Catholics who are disgusted by this.
I've got a report right here on my floor in my office by a practicing Catholic that's written a whole probably 150-page report agreeing with everything that I'm talking about in regards to fighting global warming, the global governance, sustainable development, and he's saying, "Look, the pope is pushing these things that I, as a Catholic, am totally opposed to." So, there are some folks that are figuring this out. Now, when we come back from the break, let's open the phone lines. We've got so much more to cover we're gonna have to take two days, but the phone number here is 1-800-347-9829. Come back and we're gonna tell you about the logo of Georgetown University. I think it says a lot. My guest, Chris Pinto. We'll be right back.
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Chris Pinto: Welcome back to the program. I'm glad you're with us. Brannon Howse here. My guest is Chris Pinto. His website is Adullamfilms.com. You'll find out a lot more about this in his documentaries if you visit his website. He also writes for our website, and he has a new radio show called Noise of Thunder, and we started carrying it on our website a couple weeks ago and, right off the bat, he's doing about 4,000 downloads a day in the first week. Did you hear what I just said, folks? Four thousand downloads of his radio show a day in the first week. He did several programs on this. The things we're talking about right now, you'll find at our website Worldviewweekendradio.com, and you can find Noise of Thunder that airs every day on our website with Chris Pinto. Chris, before we go to the phone lines, and they are lit up, let's talk about the logo at a Jesuit school that Bill Clinton and so many others have gone through, Georgetown University in D.C. Their logo is an eagle. It's on their own website. I saw it this morning and printed it out. Their logo is an eagle with the world in one claw and the cross in another, and what is their slogan and what does it mean?
Chris Pinto: Their slogan is a Latin phrase, utraque unum, that means of both one, and their official explanation is it's taken from the letter of the Apostle Paul, where he talks about how Christ, by his death on the cross, had made of the Jews and Gentiles of both one. But, while the phrase comes from there, on the eagle, it's an American eagle – it looks just like the eagle on the back of the dollar bill, with the shield, with the stars and the stripes, and so on – but in one claw, there's the globe, and the other, the cross, which is the traditional symbol for Rome, or Roman Catholicism, and I believe that what they're saying of both one is this union of the authority of the Catholic Church with the whole world. That's the union they are –
Brannon Howse: Which fits the dominion theology.
Chris Pinto: – looking for and working for as an organization.
Brannon Howse: And that fits the dominion theology part.
Chris Pinto: Absolutely.
Brannon Howse: So, we've got, really, the Jesuits pushing for ecumenicalism, social justice/liberation theology, dominion theology, and tomorrow we'll share with you some of the major leaders in America who have been Jesuit-trained. But, by the way, remember now the news is reporting a Jesuit to become chaplain of the House and to be sworn in on May 25. Let's go to the phone lines. Let's go to Butch. Butch, I think you're calling in from Ohio. Butch, welcome to the program. Thank you for calling in.
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Brannon Howse: Well, thank you for the call, Butch. No, that's not what I'm trying to do, and I apologize if it appears that way. Here's my comment, and I'll let Chris comment. The official statement may be we're against Liberation Theology, which is really Christianity merged with Marxism, social justice. However, again, I have volumes, reams of reports, many of them written by practicing Catholics, on the social justice movement, particularly, infiltrating the Catholic Church, and how this infiltrates the Catholic Church in huge numbers. Again, some of these reports I'm quoting in my new book are by practicing Catholics who have been studying this for years and are very upset. So, the official line, Butch, you're probably right. Behind the scenes, not so much. Look, also, at, again, the 30,000-word encyclical by the pope calling for redistribution of wealth. So, the official line, yes, that may be the case. Behind the scenes, you have to look at social justice, Liberation Theology, and many of these organizations that are pushing social justice/Liberation Theology bit time, and why are they not putting a stop to it? Do you want to comment, Chris?
Chris Pinto: I would just say that quote that you read from the Jesuit General, Adolfo Nicholas, who's calling to give Liberation Theology a chance, I mean the Jesuit General is considered one of the two most powerful people in the Catholic Church, the pope being the other one. So, I don't see how you could say that they're officially opposed to it, but then Rome has a long history of kind of opposing doctrine. She used to oppose evolution and now she completely embraces it –
Brannon Howse: That's right.
Chris Pinto: – because of Teilhard de Chardin.
Brannon Howse: Well, and they put out reports that I have in my file here from the Vatican on commending things about Charles Darwin, so you're absolutely right about that. Let's go to Judy in _______. Judy, welcome to the program. Thank you for calling in.
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Brannon Howse: Okay. We've covered that with him on a couple programs. The quick answer is, because we gotta move fast, not all of them were Christians, that's for sure. Some of them were very, very hostile to the gospel – Adams, Jefferson, Washington, Franklin. We've done two programs with Chris on that. He has a whole DVD on this called The Hidden Faith of the Founding Fathers you can get, and historians are definitely in disagreement on this. There's a professor at Grove City College that has written several articles basically saying the same thing Chris has been saying. Those are brand new articles by him over at Grove City College. So, this is a debate that researchers and historians are having, and we're happy to have the debate without making it personal, so that's all we can. But I want to move on because I want to keep covering this topic before we run out of time. Let's go to Dennis in Columbus, Wisconsin. Dennis, welcome to the program. Thank you for calling in.
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Brannon Howse: Let me get Chris to comment real quick before I run out of time. Sorry to cut you off, Dennis. There are a lot of similarities between what we see going on within Freemasonry and the Shriners, and the Shriners having their little red cord thing dipped in red, and having the crescent moon, and the Catholic Church, and the Mormonism. There seems to be a connection there between all that. We can deal with that tomorrow, right Chris?
Chris Pinto: Yes, I think we can. Definitely.
Brannon Howse: All right. Let's touch on that tomorrow. We'll open the phone lines a little bit sooner tomorrow, as well. Deborah from South Milwaukee, sorry we didn't get to you. Tomorrow, we'll talk about, again, these three areas that Jesuits move – ecumenicalism, social justice/Liberation Theology, dominion theology, and I'm gonna quote some of my researcher friends who are practicing Catholics who have written whole documents on this, and to give you some of their ideas, as well. Thanks for listening. Take care.
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