Understanding The Agenda of The Jesuits: Interview Two
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Chris Pinto: Well, hey, Brannon. It's good to be back on the show.
Brannon Howse: We're glad to have you. Let's do a quick review. We talked about the Jesuit Order. Yesterday, we read the secret oath they take, the Jesuits. Give us again about the year the Jesuits was formed, and tell us about who founded it.
Chris Pinto: They were formed about 1540 by Ignatius Loyola, and they were sanctioned by the pope, and Loyola was a former Spanish soldier who became enamored of the whole idea of Catholic sainthood, and then he saw the reformers and how they were denouncing Roman Catholic doctrine, in particular transubstantiation, the idea that the Catholic wafer becomes the literal physical presence of Christ that should be bowed to and worshipped, and he saw how the Protestants rejected that doctrine. And so he became very zealous for Catholicism, and he ended up founding a military order of priests who would be dedicated to the pope, and would have the specific purpose of overthrowing the Protestant reformation and bringing all Protestants and, ultimately, all the world back under the authority of the pope, and really undoing everything that the reformation had done. That was their purpose.
Brannon Howse: And yesterday, I read the vow that they take. That was more of, what was it, the fourth level vow, the fourth vow?
Chris Pinto: Yeah. Apparently, they have a series of vows that they take as you move forward and advance in the Jesuit Order, and the one that you were reading from, I believe, is called the Oath of the Jesuit of the Fourth Vow, and it's a very solemn oath, where the Jesuit is agreeing to make relentless war against all heretics and Protestants, whether secretly or openly, and to do so to bring them, again, basically to destroy all opposition to papal authority.
Brannon Howse: And, of course, my concern, and I don't know if it's yours or not – I think it's your concern, from our conversations – but one of my concerns is that some of these guys who are moving within evangelicalism today have been trained by the Jesuits, they are graduates of Jesuits schools. And I believe some of these folks moving around within evangelicalism have penetrated the evangelical churches, and bringing in their Catholicism through things like sacred spaces, contemplative prayer, breath prayers, centering prayers, soaking prayers, prayer ropes, incense, lighting of candles, confessing to priests, walking a prayer labyrinth, as I said, which is part of the occult for 800 years or more but is also within Catholicism. And a lot of these things we see in Catholicism, these pagan practices – I hate to say it, but it's true – and now these pagan practices have come into evangelicalism and are being widely accepted through people like Leonard Sweet, Richard Foster.
This is very popular within the Emergent Church, and even the secular media is writing pieces on this, and how these things are coming into the church, and people who claim to be Bible-believing Christians go to evangelical churches, or nondenominational churches, or during the week going to their local Buddhist prayer center, and a lot of this has come in. I'm concerned, Chris, that some of this has come into the evangelical church in America in the last 20 years, specifically, through people who are deliberately doing what the Jesuit Order is all about: bringing people back to Rome in these practices. And so I'm convinced that some of the folks we see running around in evangelicalism, and I'm not gonna name any names, but perhaps some folks that would be some names we would know are really not what they seem to be but what Jesus warned about in Matthew 7, "Wolves in sheep's clothing," who are part of really this Jesuit Order to bring the evangelical church or the Protestant Church back to Rome. And I'm concerned that that's who some of these folks are that are running around writing, speaking, and doing things. If we really knew who they were, what they were really all about, their ecumenicalism stems from really maybe being Jesuit trained. What say you about that?
Chris Pinto: Well, I would encourage anybody because, obviously, you've got a lot of Christians out there who would say that just sounds like a crazy conspiracy theory, but I would point people to somebody that many Christians trust in the church today, and that's Charles H. Spurgeon. During the 19th century, Spurgeon had a publication, like a magazine, called The Sword and the Trowel, and published it like a regular newsletter, and he just wrote volumes and volumes. But a vast majority of everything he warns about is exactly what you just described, but it was happening in the 19th century to the Anglican Church in England. And you had a bunch of Anglican priests and ministers, like John Henry Newman, who begins as this Anglican priest, and they started what was called the Tractarian Movement, where they're encouraging all of these Roman Catholic practices in a very subtle way, just a little bit here, a little bit there, you know, "Change the wooden table for communion into a stone altar," which now makes communion a sacrifice, as in the Catholic mass, and so on.
They were doing this in a variety of ways in England, and it still continues to this day. But Spurgeon spent volumes and volumes warning about the influence of Rome and the Jesuits in the Anglican Church, and how they were trying to bring the Protestant Church back to Rome. And I think what you described is just the American parallel of what was happening in the 19th century in England, and it's still going on today, because you had a couple of thousand Anglican ministers who just defected from the Anglican Church and went to Pope Benedict, and wanted to join and become Catholic priests.
Brannon Howse: Well, yesterday, we broke down really the goals of the Jesuit Order in what I consider three categories. Ecumenicalism, all religions are the same and equal, kind of using that ecumenicalism, as we see this pope, the last pope, talking a lot about all the faiths, all the religions uniting, it doesn't really matter what you are, it doesn't really matter what you practice. We've got quotes after quotes we've given of that in past programs. I can give more, if we needed to, but we've got all kinds of quotes that speak to that issue of ecumenicalism. We have the Vatican II, which really launched that idea. We have evangelicals and Catholics together document that says, "Hey, we're not gonna proselytize each other. We're all saved." It's really moving quite quickly. But then, I moved into another area where I see the Jesuit Order working beyond ecumenicalism, which is social justice/Liberation Theology, and I read yesterday the headline from the Catholic News Agency, "Jesuit Superior General Says Give More Time to Liberation Theology," give more time for it to work. Liberation Theology is really the mixing of Christian ideas with Marxism, so social justice/Liberation Theology. So, first, ecumenicalism, and then social justice/Liberation Theology.
The third area I see the Jesuits moving and working would be Dominion Theology. And, of course, Dominion Theology, we've talked a lot about, as well, is the idea that we're gonna establish the Kingdom of God on earth. Let's talk about this third area of Dominion Theology, because one of the groups that seems to promote a lot of this is the New Apostolic Reformation crowd, and we've talked extensively about them and their desire to establish God's Kingdom on earth, the seven-mountain mandate, take over all these seven areas of influence – media, government, education and others – and then Christ can return. That is clearly the Dominion Theology we see within the Jesuit Order, as well, and, shockingly, there are lots of news reports out there that some of the leaders inside the New Apostolic Reformation are Knights of Malta. There's a news report that Rick Joyner has bragged and is a Knight of Malta. True or false?
Chris Pinto: True. In fact, I remember when that happened years ago, and Rick Joyner didn't just join the local chapter of the Knights of Malta here in America; he was actually over in Europe, and some European count or baron, or somebody like that, really deep, traditional Roman Catholicism from Europe, which is very different from what we see in America, and he was a Knight of Malta who apparently initiated Rick Joyner, and some others that were with him, into the Knights of Malta. What's very disturbing, if you go to the Knights of Malta website, if you read their own information, the Knights of Malta openly state that they are dedicated to the service of the pope, that that's their whole aim is to serve the papacy, and so how a Protestant or seemingly Protestant evangelical minister could join an organization that's dedicated to the pope, you know, we can only wonder.
But the Knights of Malta are said, by the European Institute of Protestant Studies, with the Jesuits, they're said to be part of the Vatican's intelligence community, that they do the intelligence work for Rome and for the pope, and this is something that's been acknowledged now, not just as some kind of conspiracy theory, but there was a History Channel documentary a few weeks ago on the Vatican, and they were talking about how the Vatican has the largest and most developed intelligence community in the world. When Pope John Paul II came to America to meet with Ronald Reagan about the Berlin Wall, George H.W. Bush, the former head of the CIA, said that the Vatican's intelligence network was faster and more reliable than our own CIA.
Brannon Howse: Wow.
Chris Pinto: So, you know, Catholicism has a billion members around the world. You've got a billion Catholics in countries all over the earth, and that's more than three times the total population of the United States of America. Even the History Channel made mention of this, and how this gives the Vatican just a vast network of eyes and ears all over the world, and makes them an invaluable resource in the intelligence community, they said. So, I think it's very disturbing when we see somebody like Rick Joyner and others joining the Knights of Malta. You have to wonder if they have some kind of ulterior motive or if they're part of a hidden agenda.
Brannon Howse: Well, we know that the New Apostolic Reformation crowd is committed to ecumenicalism. C. Peter Wagner, one of their big leaders, has talked about the third wave, which is this idea of a third great awakening. The same thing that we've got other evangelical leaders talking about, "We're right in the middle of a great spiritual awakening. We're gonna look back and see we're in the middle of spiritual awakening." Really? I think we're right in the middle of the apostasy, the falling away from traditionally held Biblical truth, but C. Peter Wagner is talking about the third wave, and he's calling for charismatic Catholics to join him. So, there seems to be maybe an influence there with Rick Joyner, C. Peter Wagner to bring all the religions together with ecumenicalism so we can establish kingdom values on earth, and then establish the Kingdom of God, and then Christ can return. When we come back, we'll talk about preterism and how it was developed by a Catholic priest. Don't go away.
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Joining me on the line is Chris Pinto of Adullamfilms.com, and we're talking about the Jesuit Order. This is Day Two of a two-part series. As we were going into the break, Chris, we were talking about how really C. Peter Wagner is pushing for charismatic Catholics to come together, work with them. We talked about Rick Joyner, one of their prophets, as he calls himself, as he's recognized among the New Apostolic Reformation, becoming part of the Knights of Malta according to many news reports, which is a division within the papacy, and now we move into talking about Dominion Theology, which the New Apostolic Reformation is all a part. We're breaking down the goals of the Jesuit Order – ecumenicalism, social justice/Liberation Theology, and this third one, Dominion Theology. So, we could see where the Jesuit Order, those who are part of that idea, that concept, or even the bigger idea of the Catholic Church ruling on earth. We looked yesterday at the logo of Georgetown University, which is a Jesuit university, that has the eagle with the world in one claw, the cross in another, and their logo is, "Of two one," correct?
Chris Pinto: Yes, utraque unum –
Brannon Howse: Which means –
Chris Pinto: – of both one.
Brannon Howse: – both one, so the religion and the world become one, a one-world religion, really, is what I believe that's saying, don't you?
Chris Pinto: Yeah, absolutely.
Brannon Howse: All right, so continue talking about Dominion Theology, the Knights of Malta, Jesuit Order, how this is gonna really progress. I mean I was shocked to find out this whole idea of preterism, that the Rapture occurred in A.D. 70, which many people hold to. I didn't know where that idea came from until you told me before we went on the air. Where did that come from?
Chris Pinto: Well, actually, the whole idea of preterism was developed as part of the counter-reformation by a Jesuit priest named Alcazar, and what Alcazar did was he formulated this doctrine to put all of the events in the Book of Revelation and to make it appear that they were all fulfilled by 70 A.D., and that Armageddon basically happened with the fall of Jerusalem in 70 A.D., and that Nero, the Roman emperor, Nero, was the antichrist. That's a nutshell. Now, you have variant forms of preterism – you have partial preterism, full preterism, and so on – but that's the gist of it. The gist of it is that the Book of Revelation was fulfilled by 70 A.D., and then you have preterists who break off into different areas. Some say that somehow or other Christ returned in 70 A.D., others say, "No, he's gonna return later on," and so on. There's a bunch of debates, but that, within the modern reformed movement, like your Neo-Calvinists, this emerged in the 20th century, where the Neo-Calvinists adopt this doctrine of preterism, strangely enough. What's odd about that is that John Calvin, the great reformer, called preterism an old wives tale. He rejected it entirely, and probably partly because it had been developed by a Jesuit priest.
So, then, the Neo-Reformers, they adopt preterism, and they say, "Okay, we don't have to worry about the antichrist or anti _______, this apostate, worldwide kingdom of the beast," because all of that was fulfilled by 70 A.D., and then that becomes their launching pad now. From there, they say, "Well, what we need to do is we need to take over the world for Christ." That's the next step in prophetic fulfillment, the church taking over the world for Christ, and of course this plays right into the hands of Dominion Theology, the Jesuit aim to take over the world for the pope, ultimately, and really the whole plan that many people have heard about, which is the new world order, this idea of a global government and a global religion that I think many of us can see emerging, even now.
Brannon Howse: That fits right in, then, with Robert Muller, who was at the UN for 40 years, rose to being Assistant Secretary General of the United Nations, was greatly influenced by Teilhard de Chardin, the Jesuit priest who was really one of the fathers and founders of the New Age movement of the modern era. That fits right in with this New Age Catholic, Robert Muller, who said in his book Shaping a Global Spiritually – it was actually _______ called New Genesis subtitled Shaping a Global Spirituality, he said, "Pope John Paul II said that we," meaning those at the United Nations, "were the stonecutters and artisans of a cathedral which we might never see in its finished beauty." He also went on to say in that same book, "I discovered that for U Thant," and do you know who U Thant is?
Chris Pinto: I know the name. I couldn't tell you a lot about him, but I know the name.
Brannon Howse: He's into this whole thing much like Teilhard de Chardin. "I discovered that U Thant," says Robert Muller, "there was no difference." For U Thant, there was no difference between spirituality, religion and life. "Life was for him a constant spirituality. I studied Buddhism." This George Muller, now, at the UN speaking, "I studied Buddhism to understand him better. We became great friends. He was able to teach me what my Catholic priest had always told me, but at that time I hadn't listened." And then, of course, you have Robert Muller saying in the same book, Shaping a Global Spirituality, entitled New Genesis, subtitle Shaping a Global Spirituality, "For the first time in evolution, the human species has assumed a collective responsibility for the success of planet earth in the universe. Perhaps this will be the new spiritual ideology which will bind the human race."
Then, he goes on to talk about the need for what he calls an ecumenical world order. He says, "Post-modern men and women need a common values, goals, ideas, vision, but the great question in dispute is does not all this presuppose a religious faith? What we need is an ecumenical world order," and in one more quote here, Chris, he goes on to say – Robert Muller, who was influenced by this Jesuit priest, Teilhard de Chardin, and he became assistant secretary general of the UN and added a lot of divisions – he, Robert Muller, in his book, Most of All, They Taught Me Happiness – that was the name of the book – said, "I have come to believe firmly today that our future peace, justice, fulfillment, happiness and harmony on this planet will not depend on world government but on divine or cosmic government," cosmic government, he said, "meaning that we must seek and apply the natural evolutionary, divine, universal _______ cosmic laws which must rule our journey in the cosmos."
Okay. So, Chris, clearly the United Nations now is a part of this movement. We saw, back in 1964, the pope at the time brings his tiara to the United Nations – a sign of the papacy power – leaves it there. The last pope was talking about how important the United Nations is for where we're headed in the world. Muller is talking about a cosmic government, an ecumenical new world order. I think we're putting some pieces of the puzzle together here, are we not?
Chris Pinto: Oh, absolutely. In fact, that whole cosmic government, that's very Teilhard de Chardin kind of language, because he's writing about the cosmic Christ and the Christ of evolution. It's strange. If you go back to the 19th century, in the late 19th century, the Vatican was publishing coins and medals of the pope, and they would have the pope standing there in his regalia over the globe, over the earth, and they would call him the Pope of All Nations, and they were really pushing the idea of the pope governing all the nations of the earth, and then Teilhard begins writing about the cosmic Christ, this idea of a cosmic Christ.
Now, once you understand that from the Jesuit perspective Christ is the pope because, if you read their writings, they claim over and over again that all of the scriptures, all of the prophecies in the Bible that describe the messiah, Jesus Christ, all of those prophecies apply also to the pope, and then you find quotes from the popes where they're saying that the pope is, himself, Jesus Christ under the veil of the flesh, and that the pope is he in whom Jesus Christ continually dwells, and so on, so that when he speaks from his throne from the Cathedra Petri, which is the throne of Peter, and he speaks ex cathedra, they say, he is infallible, and the words that he declares – and they declared that in 1870 with Vatican Council I – and they declared that whatever he speaks ex cathedra is equal to the scripture, equal to what we have written in the Bible.
Brannon Howse: Well, in fact, in cafessio ramano – this is a direct quote coming from their own doctrine – "We confess that whatsoever new thing the pope of Rome may have instituted, whether it be in scripture or out of scripture, is true, divine _______, and, therefore, ought to be regarded as of higher value by laypeople than the precepts of the living God. We confess that the pope has the power of altering scriptures or increasing and diminishing it, according to his will. We confess that the Holy Scripture is imperfect and a dead letter until it is explained by the Supreme Pontiff and permitted by him to be read by laypeople." That was right out of their own document. I'm sure you're familiar with that, aren't you Chris?
Chris Pinto: Absolutely. In fact, this is what we talk about in our film, A Lamp in the Dark: The Untold History of the Bible. I think, for Christians, if we don't understand church history and the history of the Bible for the last 1,000 years, it's hard to recognize what's been going on for the last 100 to 150 years, but Rome fought century after century against the Bible, and the cry of the reformers in the ancient church was solo scriptura, only the scripture, and all the inquisitors wrote about that. And so, when the Jesuits came along and they started all their schools and universities, they had to find ways to war against the Bible, and the one war that they have fought is the idea that the Bible is not inerrant, it's not infallible. It is a flawed book, and, therefore, it must be interpreted by the pope as the divinely inspired apostle and vice regent of Christ; that's their whole doctrine.
And there are a number of scholars who believe that that's why the whole system of textual criticism was developed, to attack the Greek and Hebrew manuscripts and to create or to find as many flaws as possible to cast doubt on the word of God, whether or not it could be trusted, and there are many of us who believe that this is why in a lot of your seminaries and schools of learning, where Biblical theology is, it's more and more popular for people to teach that you can't really trust the Bible, that you can't say the Bible is inerrant, that it's been changed so many times, and this kind of thing; that liberal theology and what they call higher criticism. But all of that is said to come from the Jesuits and their academics trying to cast doubt on God's work. So, what they did in the 19th century is they began declaring that the Bible is a flawed book but the pope is infallible.
Brannon Howse: Wow, and, of course, we know a manuscript is a copy of an original, and an original is an autograph, and if you combine all the manuscripts together, there's only half a page worth of any differences and none of them involve any major doctrine, so we have a sure word of prophecy. We'll be back with some names of leading Jesuit-trained politicians. Don't go away.
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On the 20th of November is our Worldview Weekend there with myself, Usama Daktak, and let's see, who else do I have? John Loeffler and then Erwin Lutzer, so four people for the Worldview Weekend Rally on the 20th, but you'll want to join us for the training institute in Rockford November 18 and 19. So, you've got three options to choose from to come to our training institute, leave with the curriculum and go back to your community and to begin to teach. All the details at Worldviewweekend.com. My guest today is Chris Pinto of Adullamfilms.com. Chris, before we went into the break, we were talking about really the preterism. Let's sort of go back on that real quick. What would be the goal for this Jesuit priest to have created the idea that the Rapture had already occurred? What would have been his main thrust?
Chris Pinto: Well, it wasn't so much the teaching that the Rapture had already occurred but that the Book of Revelation, that the antichrist – because the reformers all taught that the pope or the papal system was the fulfillment of all the prophecies concerning antichrist, and that the Catholic Church was the fulfillment of Mystery, Babylon the Great, the mother of harlots and abominations of the earth, and that she was drunken with the blood of the saints and the martyrs through all the massacres and the inquisitions, and so on. Those two teachings had a devastating impact on the Roman Catholic Church through the Middle Ages, and it's what caused whole governments and countless thousands and millions of people to turn away from Rome, and so the Jesuits tried to counter that by creating a series of doctrines or alternative explanations of prophecy, and one of them was preterism by Alcazar.
So, he introduces this, and it really never caught on. Nobody ever picked up on it until we get into the 20th century, and then you find ecumenism and dominionism and the concept of a global government emerging, and then, somehow or other, Alcazar's preterism enters into the American reformed movement, and then you have leaders now who are all going down the path of preterists theology, and they're saying, "Okay, antichrist has past, the Armageddon has passed, and now we need to build the Kingdom of Christ on earth. We need to take over the world for Jesus. That's what we need to be doing." So, it seems to play right into the hands of the Jesuits, it plays into the hands of the Masons. In fact, the guy called Masonry's greatest philosopher, Manly P. Hall, if you read his book, The Secret Teachings of All Ages, he has a whole chapter dedicated to the Book of Revelation, and he says that the real meaning of revelation is not that the Kingdom of God comes to earth, but rather that mankind creates the Kingdom of God on earth, that that's the real meaning.
Brannon Howse: Let's open up our phone lines, 1-800-347-9829. Again, 1-800-347-9829. Question and/or comment, please? Keep it on topic. Don't change the topic. This is the topic today. 1-800-347-9829. Now, Chris, as people are getting online, let's talk about maybe some of the politicians who have gone through Jesuit training in the sense that there are – I was shocked to find out in my research – the Association of Jesuit Colleges and Universities. You can go right to Wikipedia and put this in and find out about all these different colleges and universities in America that are Jesuit colleges and universities. You'll see their enrollment numbers and when they were founded, and it's shocking to find out how many of our leading politicians have come through some of these Jesuit-trained schools. It's also reported that Glenn Beck himself went to a Jesuit high school, and of course then he was saying the other day, "I went to the Vatican," and we played the audio clip, and he says that the Vatican, "I was shocked knew who I was and set up what I was doing was 'wildly important.'" What do you know about Glenn Beck's Jesuit high school training?
Chris Pinto: Well, I know that he was raised Catholic and that he was trained by Jesuits at some point. I've been suspicious of Beck simply because, even though he's a professed Mormon, he's been espousing all of these ecumenical and New Age ideas, and rallying everybody together in a way that just completely seems to support the Vatican Council II ecumenical agenda. So, that's what I know about Beck. Also, when Beck went on Fox News, he was greatly supported by Bill O'Reilly. Bill O'Reilly taught high school at a Jesuit high school years ago before he went to Fox News, and of course he's a very devout Roman Catholic. The arguments that Bill O'Reilly makes on Fox when he talks about torture, torturing people to extract information through water-boarding and this is gonna save lives, what's peculiar to me about that is that's the exact same argument that the inquisitors used during the Dark Ages to torture people, to justify torturing them. They had similar discussions, and that they had to torture the heretics to save them, supposedly.
Brannon Howse: Name some of the –
Chris Pinto: But some other world leaders –
Brannon Howse: – yeah, I was gonna say, name some leaders.
Chris Pinto: – that I wanted to mention, I mean you've got all over the world, people like Joseph Goebbels, who was the head of Nazi propaganda during World War II. He was trained by Jesuits. Joseph Stalin of the USSR, Communist dictator, he was trained by Jesuits. Fidel Castro was trained by Jesuits. Bill Clinton was trained by Jesuits. George Tenet, the former CIA director, was trained by Jesuits at Georgetown University. Pat Buchanan, trained by Jesuits at Gonzaga College High School and at Georgetown University. John Kerry. Remember when Bush and Kerry ran for president? Kerry was trained by Jesuits at Boston College, and George W. Bush, when he was running for president, he had a bunch of Catholic – Carl Rove brought in a bunch of Catholic scholars to teach Bush about the Catholic Church and what Catholic philosophy was, and so on. So, there's a lot of interesting connections, and then of course the Supreme Court justices that Bush appointed were all Roman Catholic.
Brannon Howse: And were some of them trained in Jesuit universities or colleges?
Chris Pinto: Well, I think Scalia was Jesuit-trained but I don't think he was appointed by Bush, but that's a good question. I haven't researched that on the Supreme Court justices, but I know that he specifically appointed Catholics, and, in fact, if you study Bush's whole organization, everybody that was with him, they were either Jesuit-trained, many of them were Catholics, especially in the intelligence community. They were devout, lifelong Roman Catholics. His brother, Jeb Bush, converted to Catholicism, and you could find a photo online of Jeb Bush kneeling down, almost like a little altar boy, in front of Pope Benedict XVI. There's also a picture of Bush bowing his head when he was president to Pope Benedict. There was a story in the U.K. Telegraph about Bush converting to Catholicism, even, but I never saw that materialize.
Brannon Howse: What about, of course, we have Tony Blair converting to Catholicism. We have Newt Gingrich converting to Catholicism. So, it's very interesting, and you wonder, again, where the influence then is for some of these folks that have been trained. They themselves obviously we're not saying are Jesuits, but Jesuit-trained in institutions, many of them, with this philosophy we've been explaining from the Jesuit Order, and their oath at the fourth level, which is to really infiltrate Protestantism and turn it back to Rome. Let's go to Ron, who's listening, Ron in Wisconsin. Thank you, Ron, for calling in. You're on with Chris Pinto. What's your comment or question?
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Brannon Howse: That's a very good question, Ron. Jack Van Impe, I've noticed many times. I don't know whether he's just catering to sell DVDs to that audience or it's fundraising, but very concerned about some of the ecumenical comments I've heard coming out of Jack Van Impe in regard to the Church of Rome.
Chris Pinto: Yeah, Van Impe, we've talked about him on our radio program, but he not only repeatedly and overtly recommends the popes, the cardinals, the archbishops and their teachings, but he mingles Catholic prophecies, like the Prophecies of Malachi, the Prophecies of Fatima. He regards the Prophecies of Fatima and prophecies that were set forth by Archbishop Fulton Sheen, who is a very famous Catholic archbishop. All of these Catholic prophecies he intermingles with Bible prophecy, and I've heard him, I've watched him on his program talk about these things as though they're one in the same. Yeah, at this point, he just seems like he has gone completely over to Rome.
Brannon Howse: Let's go to Timothy in Wisconsin. Timothy, welcome to the program. Thank you for calling in.
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Brannon Howse: Oh, you're Jim? Okay. Sorry.
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Brannon Howse: All right, let's have him comment, Jim, on that when he comes back. Again, I think that might be – we'll find out when we come back from the other break – one reason why there was the creation of the idea preterism, the Rapture already occurring, thus to take out that argument as to who the antichrist would be. And, of course, I don't think we can know who the antichrist will be. I don't think it'll be the pope, so if that puts you at ease. Maybe the prophet next to him, we don't know, but that's all speculation. We'll be right back.
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Brannon Howse: Welcome back to the program. We're gonna let Chris answer. My answer to Jim who called in, no, I don't believe the pope will be the antichrist. I believe that, as Jimmy DeYoung has talked about, I think the Church of Rome will play a major role, as will many liberal anti-Christ Protestants play a major role in the religion of the last days as they come together with social justice, pantheism, panentheism, Darwinian Evolution, spiritual evolution, and they merge, and it will largely be based out of Rome. That's my opinion. Jimmy DeYoung and many others hold to that, as well. We can't be dogmatic. But then, in Revelation 17, the antichrist turns with his ten assistants and devours the woman riding the beast, and devours her flesh. So no, it doesn't make sense that the pope would be the antichrist. That doesn't make sense to me at all. But again, that's my opinion and that would be the opinion of many of the folks that speak and write for me.
But I do think the Protestant Church and the Catholic Church will come together as a group of people, as one, and will be largely represented out of Rome. It'll be very much like we saw with what happened in Germany, where they dissolved their denominations and united under the right bishop handpicked by Adolf Hitler. So, it'll be, once again, a group of religious people coming together, Protestants, Catholics, all religions coming together and handing their power and authority to one person, and that is the issue that I see happening. Now, as far as the other question related to the catechisms, I think that's what he was bringing up, or the confessional, he was talking about that, Jim, or Jim was. Will you answer that, Chris?
Chris Pinto: Yeah, he was mentioning, if I remember, the Westminster Confession of Faith –
Brannon Howse: There you go. Thank you.
Chris Pinto: – and written into the Westminster Confession is the belief of all of the reformers that the pope or the papal system is really specifically the man of sin mentioned in Paul's letter to the Thessalonians, where he says, "Then shall that man of sin be revealed to opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, so that he, as God, sits in the Temple of God showing himself that he is God." Because the Apostle Paul says in 1 Corinthians 3 that the Temple of God is the church, the reformers all believed that the pope exalting himself in the church was the fulfillment of that man of sin. And so if you read their confessions, they don't necessarily come out and say that the pope is the beast of Revelation. They do say they believe the pope is the man of sin, and that's in all of the Westminster Confession, John Wesley's footnotes, the Old Baptist Confession, the Calvinist and Lutheran confessions, and so on.
So, it's very interesting, and I'm still studying what that doctrine was, but that was a major doctrine of the reformation, and a lot of the information about what they believed and why is somewhat lost. Just back to what you were talking about, in terms of preterism, once you realize how important that doctrine was, then you can see why the Jesuits would begin to develop these alternative prophecies, or interpretations of prophecy, to push antichrist into the past so that they could argue, "Well, Nero was the antichrist, so it cannot be the pope."
Brannon Howse: And that's the connection I was wanting you to make, why the Jesuit priests created preterism. That takes that argument about the pope out of the arena of play. So, let's go to Linda in Portage. Linda, welcome to the program. Thank you for calling in.
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Brannon Howse: There's no way we're gonna have time to get into that one, but go ahead, Chris, answer at least about the Black Pope.
Chris Pinto: Yeah, the Black Pope is kind of a nickname that is given to the Jesuit General who is the highest-ranking Jesuit. The first Jesuit General, of course, was Ignatius Loyola, and there was even a book written by a nun named M. F. Cusack in the late 19th and early 20th century called The Black Pope, and in that she talks about how the opinion in Rome, and this was an opinion held by people like Spurgeon and H. Grattan Guiness and Protestant leaders, as well as Catholics, as well, but the opinion was that the Jesuit General, because he wears black robes, they call him the Black Pope, and they would argue that really it's the Black Pope who is manipulating the White Pope, the one that everybody sees, and so on. It's a testimony to the amount of power that the Jesuits are said to have.
Brannon Howse: And what about the Jesuits having poisoned one of the popes years ago?
Chris Pinto: Yeah, they were said to have poisoned Pope Clement, who abolished them in 1773, and then, in the 20th century, if you read the book In God's Name by David Yallop, who is a Catholic, asserts that they poisoned Pope John Paul I, who only reigned for 33 days and then he died mysteriously and was buried without an autopsy.
Brannon Howse: And when was that? What year was that?
Chris Pinto: Oh, I can't remember the exact year, but I think it was around the 1960s, right in there.
Brannon Howse: That's when I think it was, too. I was reading about it the other day. Let's go to Faith in Pennsylvania. Faith, go right ahead. Thank you for calling in.
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Brannon Howse: Thank you, Chris, for joining us to talk on a two-part series on the Jesuit Order. Thank you, Chris.
Chris Pinto: All right. It's my pleasure, Brannon.
Brannon Howse: His website is Adullamfilms.com. We'll have this posted tonight at Worldviewweekend.com.
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